Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:16 PM Jul 2015

Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die [View all]

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun." says Wayne LaPierre, the vice president of the National Rifle Association.

That's become the kernel of the NRA's response to recent mass shooting tragedies -- if only more people carried guns for protection, the thinking goes, then they would be less likely to be victimized by gun-wielding criminals.

“The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said

The challenge to that argument is that, data show, guns are rarely used in self-defense -- especially relative to the rate at which they're used in criminal homicides or suicides. A recent report from the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, put those numbers in some perspective, and I dug up the raw numbers from the FBI's homicide data. Take a look:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

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Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die [View all] SecularMotion Jul 2015 OP

You are ignoring the three other possible outcomes of DGUs hack89 Jul 2015 #1

And you could comment on the article without attacking the messenger SecularMotion Jul 2015 #2

What are you viewpoints Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #5

The pro-gun side can't *not* attack the messenger. It's part and parcel of the personality matrix... villager Jul 2015 #7

Your ever see Fred Sanders in action? krispos42 Jul 2015 #46

Not only, but mostly. villager Jul 2015 #47

Here's a challenge for you Shamash Jul 2015 #48

Neither of us do that, I think, which is good. krispos42 Jul 2015 #49

Well that's a thoughtful post, Krispos42 villager Jul 2015 #50

whats a "barely-disguised weapon of war" on our streets? Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #51

It's also this kind of intellectual dishonesty.... villager Jul 2015 #52

How can that be Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #54

But you already know what they are. It's a pointless, snarky question. villager Jul 2015 #56

Is my K31 Swiss? Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #63

"I am sorry you have to get so defensive"? Demit Jul 2015 #62

yes, I asked a simple question Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #64

Asking you to define the term YOU coined... beevul Jul 2015 #75

Incredible is it not Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #79

You already know which guns they are too. villager Jul 2015 #81

I do? beevul Jul 2015 #86

OK. Well, in a thread where *that's actually the topic being discussed*, I may list the guns/models villager Jul 2015 #87

Those are the terms I usually use. krispos42 Jul 2015 #55

I admire phone-posting. villager Jul 2015 #58

Thanks krispos42 Jul 2015 #67

Oh jeez.... sorry to hear that. villager Jul 2015 #70

It's MS. krispos42 Jul 2015 #71

A good friend of mine out Texas way has had that since his 30's villager Jul 2015 #72

The same applies to the Gun Control side. MicaelS Jul 2015 #65

you just get stoned like one Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #66

I can multitask hack89 Jul 2015 #8

You are so going to get alerted on Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #9

So, why do you think the author of the OP blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #33

You will not get a reply Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #3

You are totally oblivious to the irony of your meta-whining posts, aren't you? SecularMotion Jul 2015 #4

I at least comment on the cut Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #6

You're not making a comment SecularMotion Jul 2015 #10

You know, if you spent a little less time complaining and more commenting ... DonP Jul 2015 #11

See post # 10 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #12

Lol, that's rich Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #14

See post #4 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #17

See post #11 (use all your fingers and one toe you'll figure it out) DonP Jul 2015 #31

Would you like some crackers and cheese to go with that wine? oneshooter Jul 2015 #13

Lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #15

What a lie. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #16

Do you actually expect an answer or rebuttal Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #18

You'll notice that AC commented on the article without making any personal attacks SecularMotion Jul 2015 #20

never knew asking a person to discuss and comment Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #22

I notice you returned to comment on the conduct of others AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #43

So uh, just came here for a fight then, huh? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #74

I think we all noticed... beevul Jul 2015 #76

"......instead of disrupting threads." pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #84

Yep Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #85

You are correct - absolutely a lie. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #83

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See post #20 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #21

nice kick Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #23

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I'm not here to live up to your expectations. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #25

Or discuss the topic Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #26

You forgot "...no matter how low they might be" Shamash Jul 2015 #27

Remember the old joke about the prison joke book? beardown Jul 2015 #29

One fact ties together all the intentional and unintentional gun deaths & injuries. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #35

And a human being present to use the firearm. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #36

There are no advantages to using firearms in self-defense situations. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #38

You would be wrong. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #39

Guns are an effective and often used crime deterrent sarisataka Jul 2015 #42

More particularly Shamash Jul 2015 #45

Was my previous post too on-topic sarisataka Jul 2015 #78

Hey! SecMo knows more than the reigning (liberal) gun violence expert! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #88

I thought that it was about the 'innocents' beardown Jul 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author beardown Jul 2015 #30

Jury results, #19 and #69 Lancero Jul 2015 #61

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Hmmm discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #57

Writing X number of anti-gun screeds within X amt of time is a job requirement at WaPo. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #28

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How many crimes are prevented by the presence of handguns... NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #34

I haven't seen those stats TeddyR Jul 2015 #40

Stat seems to support my progressive stance on carrying a firearm. ileus Jul 2015 #37

How many times were guns used defensively without the attacker being killed and why Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #41

how many were in fact innocent? gejohnston Jul 2015 #44

In for a penny, in for a pound discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #59

Another thought I had while eating dinner. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #53

A meaningless stat. Straw Man Jul 2015 #60

The object is not to kill but to stop an attack. ... spin Jul 2015 #73

This message was hidden by Jury decision. beevul Jul 2015 #77

Good head fake Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #80

*Extremely* good! Suckered me! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #82

maybe they wouldn't have died if they had a gun to defend themselves with? the band leader Jul 2015 #89