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Nuclear Unicorn

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52. People also abuse the 1st Amendment; case in point gawker.com
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

The Geithner affair is not their first go-round in 1A abuses. They released Terry Hogan's sex tape, they accused actor James Franco of violent gay rape and other misdeeds. They have abused their 1A rights with malicious intent of hurting others for profit.

But abuses do not abolish the use.

The problem with much of the gun control movement is its insistence that the crimes of one are the guilt of all. Yet the justified uses of any count for none.


As far as the right to keep and bear arms being a self evident freedom, such as the others, no. Simply no. If you have to fall back on arguments about "trendy language" and the Rhode Island constitution of 1842, you're on shaky ground and you know it.

The reasons in 1842 were the same reasons as the even older Bill of Rights of 1789. Age doesn't make the rights less valid. In fact, for rights to have any real value they must be timeless. Rights do not come into being because of technology and they do not cease to be after a fashion. If they did they would cease to be rights and merely be allowances under the law.

We do not form governments to explain our rights to us. Government ought to protect our rights and provide recourse to healing transgressions against them. But governments can and often do abuse rights which displays fully for us the fact our rights transcend government, exist outside of it.

If this is true -- and God help us all if it isn't -- the the right to self-defense against man and government is beyond arguing to the year 1842. If Rhode Island and others had the good sense to codify this truth then we applaud them but even if they did not no person is obligated to tolerate the abuses of tyranny.


The framers were not being vague, trendy or anything else when they wrote the 2nd. It's a great amendment, a great freedom, something few other nations dare to allow, and I would not even say it's subordinate to the other freedoms, or less important, but it is distinguishable.

Distinguishable only in the fact that it is the one amendment that makes self-evident the penalty to be imposed upon the government if it lapses into the abuses inflicted by previous despots.
Any thoughts on the article or do you just uncritically accept whatever any GC advocate says? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #1
I like that dual magazine CZ75.....sign me up. ileus Jul 2015 #2
It's clearly blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #3
That gave me a WTF moment, too. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #11
It did have that beginners Photo-Shop look. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #13
It appears to be a pre-expanded expanding bullet, clearly more dangerous than petronius Jul 2015 #16
Uses a spare magazine as a foregrip, note that the magazine is upside down. n/t Shamash Jul 2015 #18
From the article Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #4
The proposals require compromise from both sides of the issue. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #5
So, where are you willing to compromise? blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #6
He can not say Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #7
"Compromise" is a buzz word for gun grabbers and a lie DonP Jul 2015 #8
So far, the lack of response from the pro-control side blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #9
I have no qualms about the second and third proposals. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #10
That works for me. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #12
Not engaging in discussion and debate gives rise to fears of extremism... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #14
Compromise means you get to ban some now... MicaelS Jul 2015 #23
He wants to ban 100-rounders, he says. Problem is, benEzra Jul 2015 #27
i believe this melm00se Jul 2015 #36
Yep. 20-round magazine, and power similar to a modern .45 ACP. benEzra Jul 2015 #39
What in hell is that thing in the bottom left? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #15
Just a bit of artistic license created by... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #17
I would call that "artistic ignorance." (n/t) benEzra Jul 2015 #25
I think of in shorthand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #26
I thought it was a meaningless grip, at first. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #37
Could be a Beretta 92 full auto with a oversized front grip? oneshooter Jul 2015 #19
I thought it was a Beretta too. What the fuck is that doohicky on the front, a can opener? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #49
It is a fold down forward grip. oneshooter Jul 2015 #50
If you mean the bullet on the bottom right, it is this: Shamash Jul 2015 #20
Bottom Left or Bottom Right? MicaelS Jul 2015 #22
Peculiar. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #38
And uninformed Controllers are the *last* people we'll trust to decide which guns are OK. NT pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #21
I don't trust that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #30
Those are the bullets capable of knocking airliners out of the sky, dontcha know! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #35
And that line is drawn at .51 caliber,automatic fire, and explosives. benEzra Jul 2015 #24
What the founders envisioned HassleCat Jul 2015 #28
No. Just no. You could not be more wrong. beevul Jul 2015 #29
Yes, I understand HassleCat Jul 2015 #32
I was referring to the preamble. Do you understand what it says? beevul Jul 2015 #41
Oh, OK HassleCat Jul 2015 #42
No. The preamble to the bill of rights. beevul Jul 2015 #43
Of course. HassleCat Jul 2015 #44
More specifically... beevul Jul 2015 #46
But they stilll connected it HassleCat Jul 2015 #47
In reference only. beevul Jul 2015 #48
You make my point well. Thank you. HassleCat Jul 2015 #51
People also abuse the 1st Amendment; case in point gawker.com Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #52
Again, no. beevul Jul 2015 #53
How dare you suggest the government cannot be trusted! Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #45
"weirdo gun nuts who owned 50 weapons" oneshooter Jul 2015 #31
I'm sorry HassleCat Jul 2015 #33
Accepted, however it is that type of language that makes gun owners oneshooter Jul 2015 #34
I equate the right to *choose* gun ownership, or not, with freedom... benEzra Jul 2015 #40
indicative jimmy the one Jul 2015 #54
Which begs the question blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #55
cuts both ways jimmy the one Jul 2015 #56
It depends on who you ask. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #57
The gun control lobby pushed the "assault weapon" issue as a way to build momentum benEzra Jul 2015 #59
Often, art imitates life, but other times... beevul Jul 2015 #60
+1 ^^^ discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #62
vintage 2ndA mythology re clinton 1994 jimmy the one Jul 2015 #61
Nope, wrong answer. In Clinton's own words: benEzra Jul 2015 #63
clinton quotes re 1994 jimmy the one Jul 2015 #64
I'm familiar with those studies, and it again goes to show how rarely benEzra Jul 2015 #58
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