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In reply to the discussion: Is everyone who uses a weapon for target practice secretly thinking about violence? [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)45. This is like saying sex conditions people to rape.
...that in the human mind weapons and violence are inextricably linked. This does not mean that everyone who picks up a rock to cast is contemplating violence at the moment, but it does condition them to commit it and the likelihood that they will increases substantially.
No. Throwing a rock at a target only conditions throwing rocks at a target. Shooting pieces of paper does not condition you to do anything except shoot pieces of paper. Just like having sex doesn't condition you to do anything except have sex. Having sex does not condition you to rape.
But that is not what I'm saying, but I imagine you would have to agree that everyone who rapes was contemplating sex beforehand.
Ignoring the fact that rape is about violent control, not sex, it is not a bi-directional situation.
Yes, contemplating rape implies contemplating sex. But the reverse is not true - contemplating sex does not imply contemplating rape.
Likewise using weapons for games.
Contemplating harming someone with a weapon implies contemplating weapons. But this does not mean that contemplating weapons implies contemplating harming someone with them.
People can also contemplate weapons while contemplating using them for non-violent activities. Just like people can contemplate sex without contemplating rape.
No. Throwing a rock at a target only conditions throwing rocks at a target. Shooting pieces of paper does not condition you to do anything except shoot pieces of paper. Just like having sex doesn't condition you to do anything except have sex. Having sex does not condition you to rape.
But that is not what I'm saying, but I imagine you would have to agree that everyone who rapes was contemplating sex beforehand.
Ignoring the fact that rape is about violent control, not sex, it is not a bi-directional situation.
Yes, contemplating rape implies contemplating sex. But the reverse is not true - contemplating sex does not imply contemplating rape.
Likewise using weapons for games.
Contemplating harming someone with a weapon implies contemplating weapons. But this does not mean that contemplating weapons implies contemplating harming someone with them.
People can also contemplate weapons while contemplating using them for non-violent activities. Just like people can contemplate sex without contemplating rape.
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Is everyone who uses a weapon for target practice secretly thinking about violence? [View all]
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
OP
When I go target shooting, of course I'm thinking and speaking openly about violence!
slackmaster
Feb 2012
#6
When I was shooting tanks I was thinking about chasing women and getting high.
era veteran
Feb 2012
#7
You are assuming people cannot have different thoughts at different points in time.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#24
So are the Olympic games in shooting and archery and fencing leading to militarism?
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#33
"...my argument was that it conditions them to accept and participate in violence."
Glassunion
Feb 2012
#19
Sometimes metaphysics has nothing to do with anything. Sometimes it is just physics...
Glassunion
Feb 2012
#25
Assuming that everyone who shoots projectiles is thinking about violence...
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#36
You obviously would never appreciate how difficult accurate shooting at long range is...
spin
Feb 2012
#38
Of course you realize our Constitution explicitly endorses militarism.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#63
To say using weapons is to be into a "death cult" is like saying being into sex is being into rape.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#47
This "militarization" has been going on since man first picked up a rock.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#32
As I said, I often contemplate violence and the implications of firearms and violence.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#56