Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

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55. And you've actually made your mindset quite clear in the other thread...

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:47 PM

Feb 2012

...so I'm certainly right about your mindset regarding violence, which is not what you at first supposed.

Basically if you die in the commission of a violent crime, it should be a free pass for whoever did the killing, regardless of the circumstances.

So if someone runs up to a victim and points a knife at them and says, "Give me your wallet!", and the victim pulls out a gun and the criminal turns and runs away and the victim shoots him in the back and kills him, that ought to be a free pass for the victim.

If someone runs up to a victim with a gun and says, "Give me your money!" and the victim draws and shoots and wounds them and they fall down and the victim then puts another bullet in him on the ground, that ought to be a free pass for the victim.

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Is everyone who uses a weapon for target practice secretly thinking about violence? [View all] Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 OP

Not everyone! atreides1 Feb 2012 #1

what do think I am? a Jarhead? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #2

I do enjoy punching paper, burf Feb 2012 #3

A. there isn't an "everyone". B. In many cases, it's not secret, but overt. saras Feb 2012 #4

Good post n/t Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #8

When I practice with my carry weapon on a silhouette target... spin Feb 2012 #16

Not at all. murielm99 Feb 2012 #5

When I go target shooting, of course I'm thinking and speaking openly about violence! slackmaster Feb 2012 #6

When I was shooting tanks I was thinking about chasing women and getting high. era veteran Feb 2012 #7

It's pretty well known baser toters want to kill... ileus Feb 2012 #9

Only when I'm shooting reloaded depleted uranium bullets. Remmah2 Feb 2012 #10

All we need is the soundtrack burf Feb 2012 #11

That wasn't exactly my argument... ellisonz Feb 2012 #12

Wrong. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #14

The mind works in interesting ways... ellisonz Feb 2012 #17

Only one function eh? ileus Feb 2012 #23

You are assuming people cannot have different thoughts at different points in time. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #24

I'm assuming it leads to the same end - militarism. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #27

you understand about that word "assume" Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #31

So are the Olympic games in shooting and archery and fencing leading to militarism? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #33

Ah, you assume rl6214 Feb 2012 #35

Based on a tremendous amount of evidence. ellisonz Feb 2012 #42

When I pick up a weapon -- CokeMachine Feb 2012 #59

Firearms can be lethal... spin Feb 2012 #34

"...my argument was that it conditions them to accept and participate in violence." Glassunion Feb 2012 #19

I suppose the question is then... ellisonz Feb 2012 #21

Sometimes metaphysics has nothing to do with anything. Sometimes it is just physics... Glassunion Feb 2012 #25

"accurately path a projectile over great distances fascinated him" ellisonz Feb 2012 #30

Assuming that everyone who shoots projectiles is thinking about violence... Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #36

Very accurate comparison. (n/t) spin Feb 2012 #39

You obviously would never appreciate how difficult accurate shooting at long range is... spin Feb 2012 #38

What can I say... ellisonz Feb 2012 #41

I can see that... spin Feb 2012 #43

Yes I do... ellisonz Feb 2012 #51

Are you against these sports? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #54

Of course you realize our Constitution explicitly endorses militarism. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #63

Give it up. You are talking out your ass. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #44

To say using weapons is to be into a "death cult" is like saying being into sex is being into rape. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #47

I am not arguing that there is an absent mind. Glassunion Feb 2012 #46

If they are not simulating that... ellisonz Feb 2012 #53

They are not simulating violence. Glassunion Feb 2012 #58

You don't need a gun... ellisonz Feb 2012 #61

I don't need paper to write. Glassunion Feb 2012 #62

This "militarization" has been going on since man first picked up a rock. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #32

ragged holes. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #13

I think about score while target shooting... spin Feb 2012 #15

Umm... ellisonz Feb 2012 #18

Wrong. Clames Feb 2012 #20

"knows that a wound that would stop an attacker is seldom fatal." ellisonz Feb 2012 #22

I agree, "GUNS ARE NOT TOYS!!!... spin Feb 2012 #28

But people play games with weapons all the time. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #37

Proving my point... ellisonz Feb 2012 #40

This is like saying sex conditions people to rape. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #45

You do realize that rape... ellisonz Feb 2012 #48

Now perhaps there is a crack of understanding in your mindset. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #50

And you've actually made your mindset quite clear in the other thread... ellisonz Feb 2012 #55

As I said, I often contemplate violence and the implications of firearms and violence. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #56

"in the human mind weapons and violence are inextricably linked" Glassunion Feb 2012 #49

Oh, but he's a "professional" Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #52

Weapons and Violence according to Ellison Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #57

Why do you consider that a contradiction? ... spin Feb 2012 #26

Absolutely not! rl6214 Feb 2012 #29

When I'm shooting I'm mostly thinking about breath control, SeattleVet Feb 2012 #60

I'm going to lock this krispos42 Feb 2012 #64