Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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51. what evidence you have

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:38 AM

Feb 2012

they just drop the gun in the river? Used guns in the UK are cheaper.
"assault weapon" in this context is a political with no real meaning.

Although these are not "assault weapons" but with they do?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376085/Schoolgirl-dreamed-going-Oxford-gunned-gang-queued-takeaway.html
http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2011/04/two-men-jailed-for-murder-in-hoxton-takeaway/

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24008819-the-fearsome-gang-weapon-found-hidden-at-playground.do

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Young woman who was shot in head at Lealman church dies [View all] ellisonz Feb 2012 OP

Yeah I read this a few days ago.... ileus Feb 2012 #1

FYI Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #2

So confusing! ellisonz Feb 2012 #3

Which one would you grab in an effort to preserve your life, petronius Feb 2012 #4

Not possessing either, I would grab neither. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #10

Just as an FYI, flare guns are *terrible* self defense weapons. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #14

"I would point my finger or my flare gun at him" rl6214 Feb 2012 #17

I might also yell loudly " Avast, ye pirate scum!" Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #20

Now that might just work. rl6214 Feb 2012 #67

So, you're going to cosplay a pirate, yelling at other pirates? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #77

your flare gun, but not your first aid kit? Why not? petronius Feb 2012 #23

Improperly used they can both kill you DonP Feb 2012 #5

That's the nature of tools. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #6

it is a device used by writers all the time, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #7

Tools do not have a personal nature, they have a designed purpose. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #22

that is a good liberal and progessive value Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #25

Properly used, one saves a life, the other takes a life. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #11

It can be entirely proper to take a life, to save one. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #56

How do you take a life without firing the gun? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #61

I tend to think of a pistol as a tool for fighting your way to your rifle, but w/e AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #73

Improperly used, anything can kill you. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #13

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #15

Sorry, but it is never "proper" to kill someone. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #18

I disagree. It is often proper to kill someone. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #29

Well, you may disagree, but you're still wrong. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #58

No, you are wrong. It is ALWAYS appropriate to defend oneself. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #71

Your sig is a callout of another DU member Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #86

That poster consistently called all law-abiding gun owners out as potential criminals. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #89

The link is not to his blog, but to screenshot on a wingnut website. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #93

There, I fixed it for you. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #94

Don't conflate the death penalty with self defense. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #75

I don't conflate the death penalty with SD Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #91

"Not a liberal mindset" krispos42 Feb 2012 #79

Regarding mindset, liberal or conservative. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #95

The only one calling for euthanasia is you... krispos42 Feb 2012 #109

Who's talking demographics? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #117

We both know that people born in certain circumstances... krispos42 Feb 2012 #120

So, we agree on just about everything. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #123

It's not about being thorough krispos42 Feb 2012 #124

Sorry, I don't buy all that. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #126

Except that it's not just about concealed carry in public. krispos42 Mar 2012 #129

OK, one at a time Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #130

Unfounded, unsupported, and untrue absolute. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #57

To shoot someone may be "your" only option. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #59

That pharmacist committed murder. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #74

It's not an "argument", it's a simple fact DonP Feb 2012 #24

Anything used as a weapon will kill when properly used as a weapon. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #30

my p89 is a life saving device... ileus Feb 2012 #9

No, it's a life taking device. Nothing safe about it. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #12

From the grip end it's made to save lives. ileus Feb 2012 #16

Wrong again. From either end it's made to take lives. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #19

Incorrect....made to save lives. ileus Feb 2012 #27

What absolute drivel. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #35

Often it is necessary to take lives in order to save innocent lives. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #32

Very true and you would also use your gun on TP'ing "vandals". Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #33

Not to mention his belief that he deserves... ellisonz Feb 2012 #80

What a nutjob! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #85

So why do police carry firearms? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #31

Simple answer. Because in this country, they're told to. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #36

Damn... ellisonz Feb 2012 #38

Great minds think alike Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #53

You were a cop in the UK? Particulars please. Straw Man Feb 2012 #40

I'm not familiar with current "procedures", having been here for the last 30+ years Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #63

So your personal experience is at least 30 years out of date. Straw Man Feb 2012 #64

So why do they carry them in those special circumstances? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #68

Why do they carry them in those special circumstances? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #100

So ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #103

To protect life from terrorists Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #104

Bingo. Straw Man Feb 2012 #106

And what is that same reason? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #114

To protect innocent lives Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #116

Thank you for admitting that firearms can also save lives. n/t Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #125

I've never claimed they can't. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #127

See this thread Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #128

You did not answer the question. PavePusher Feb 2012 #102

Guns can also save lives. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #28

Police carry guns because criminals have guns. ellisonz Feb 2012 #37

Then how do you explain Japan ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #41

Tradition and paranoia... ellisonz Feb 2012 #42

There are a lot of reasons gejohnston Feb 2012 #43

Would you care to explain why Britain has a lower homicide rate despite having a gang problem? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #45

there are many reasons gejohnston Feb 2012 #46

Here's the thing about your single claim... ellisonz Feb 2012 #47

Facts? Straw Man Feb 2012 #48

Well I think the homicide rates speak for themselves... ellisonz Feb 2012 #50

For homicide rates ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #52

Where's the distortion? Straw Man Feb 2012 #54

I did claim such a thing... ellisonz Feb 2012 #81

Oh, so it's a teleological discussion now? Straw Man Feb 2012 #92

You were doing well... ellisonz Feb 2012 #96

First mistake is taking Dirty Harry movies as reality. Straw Man Feb 2012 #98

"some of which simulate combat and many of which do not." ellisonz Feb 2012 #99

Sure. Straw Man Feb 2012 #101

Too easy... Clames Feb 2012 #108

One word: snipers. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #110

One word: wrong. Straw Man Feb 2012 #111

LOL Clames Feb 2012 #118

Oh gun porn... ellisonz Feb 2012 #119

And that simulates... Clames Feb 2012 #121

what evidence you have gejohnston Feb 2012 #51

Britain had a lower homicide rate in the 19th century ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #49

And the cops didn't carry them back then either. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #60

So the US murder rate was higher due to armed cops? Straw Man Feb 2012 #65

Why is arming the police bad? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #66

Against the rules? Straw Man Feb 2012 #78

What's your point? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #97

My point? Straw Man Feb 2012 #105

So in those "special circumstances", why do they carry guns? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #69

Both. ellisonz Feb 2012 #70

Wrong. Straw Man Feb 2012 #82

Your question is a falsely binary... ellisonz Feb 2012 #83

For starters, I didn't ask any question. Straw Man Feb 2012 #84

That's like your interpretation, dude. ellisonz Feb 2012 #107

Sigh ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #112

There are more than a few bad cops too. ellisonz Feb 2012 #113

Murderous ones? Straw Man Feb 2012 #115

Glad you admit that guns are thus used to save lives. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #87

I'm honest. ellisonz Feb 2012 #88

I'm honest too. If you die during the commission of a violent crime, I'm not really concerned about Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #90

Same reason non-criminal citizens carry them, too. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #122

Holy shit, all my guns are broken! AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #55

Excellent news! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #62

Just to be sure, I tested one this evening. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #72

Had that happen earlier this week. Clames Feb 2012 #76

Each is task specific subject to use/misuse by the holder. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #131

Heck of an argument you got there. I guess you win. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #132

May she rest in peace. My sincerest condolences to the family and friends. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #8

Thank You!! CokeMachine Feb 2012 #21

welcome to DU Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #26

Thank You CokeMachine Feb 2012 #44

Her family has forgiven the shooter. n/t burf Feb 2012 #34

yes, I know. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #39