Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: "Nobody wants to take your guns..." [View all]jimmy the one
(2,716 posts)beevul's link: "Moms Demand Action Deeply Disappointed in Federal Judges Decision Overturning Chicagos Citywide Ban on Gun Dealerships"
beevul: Does that sound like the actions of a group that claims not to be anti-gun?
It sounds like the opinion of millions of American gun owners, like maybe 25% - 50%of them or more, largely democrat gun owners. Are you calling 20 - 40 million gun owners 'anti-gun' too? You cite nra dogma, that 'anti-gun' means opposing almost anything the nra supports.
There are many reasons why a citywide ban of gun dealerships would reduce incidence of gun crime, including theft from the gun shops, straw sales inner city, youth could be more influenced by a 'gun store, wow'.
beevul: Opposing a gun shop opening in a place where ALL backgrounds are checked, is anti-gun and theres no way to spin it otherwise.
No spin, it's 'anti crime' to support the gunshop-ban in Chicago. Even the black sheriff of DC supported the DC handgun ban circa late 1970's - 90's by contending that young black males were predominantly getting handguns & using them in violent crimes, & the handgun ban allowed cops an instant way of disarming them rather than letting them take their handguns & scoot back home to await trial & get lost in the red tape, or get the gun lost.
beevul: Bzzzt. Wrong again. I'm against gun registration. Period. Whether its used for background checks or not. Go ahead, make all the universal background check laws you like. I don't oppose that. When it comes to registration, on the other hand, my stance is Fuck Off.
You contradict yourself twice. Once, from 3 years ago, tho you might've changed your position. Second, from 3 days ago 8/2015:
beevul 3 years ago, 6/2012: I support: Background checks at retail for purchase of firearms. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=42549
beevul, 3 days ago, post 79 this thread: I've made my position on BC {background checks} abundantly clear elsewhere: They are unenforceable without registration. Where personally owned private property is concerned, I do not support the infrastructure - registration - necessary to make it enforceable, and I'm not one bit unwilling embarrassed, or ashamed to admit it.
How does this work in beevul-land? background checks at retail ARE enforceable so that you supported them 3 years ago? does that mean gun registration was OK by you 3 years ago?
While I will tentatively agree you now do not OPPOSE background checks, you do not SUPPORT either universal background checks, or bg checks in the current format, THAT is somewhat clear in your above postings despite your contradictions.
beevul: Also, I've made my position on BC abundantly clear elsewhere James: They are unenforceable without registration. Where personally owned private property is concerned, I do not support the infrastructure - registration - necessary to make it enforceable, and I'm not one bit unwilling embarrassed, or ashamed to admit it.