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In reply to the discussion: "Nobody wants to take your guns..." [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)88. Does he or doesn't he admit to misrepresenting what I've said?
First things first, james.
Which was it, a deliberate misrepresentation on your part, or substandard reading skills that inadvertently led to a misrepresentation of what I actually said?
Or are you above admitting it when you're wrong?
It sounds like the opinion of millions of American gun owners, like maybe 25% - 50%of them or more, largely democrat gun owners. Are you calling 20 - 40 million gun owners 'anti-gun' too? You cite nra dogma, that 'anti-gun' means opposing almost anything the nra supports.
There are many reasons why a citywide ban of gun dealerships would reduce incidence of gun crime, including theft from the gun shops, straw sales inner city, youth could be more influenced by a 'gun store, wow'.
There are many reasons why a citywide ban of gun dealerships would reduce incidence of gun crime, including theft from the gun shops, straw sales inner city, youth could be more influenced by a 'gun store, wow'.
Nice try, but no cigar. You just pulled those numbers from a dark orifice, and are trying to muddy the waters. You then bring the nra into it, by claiming that I'm citing nra dogma, in an attempt to further muddy the waters, and try to offer up a rabbit hole which you presume I'm going to go down and chase your rabbit.
No sale.
One can not make the claim that 'we are in no way anti-gun', and then complain when a court decision allows gun stores to be opened in a place where every single one of their suggested laws are in effect. 100 percent background checks, AW ban, etc. If MDA can't accept a gun store in a place where all their desired legislation exists, then there IS NO PLACE where they will.
How does this work in beevul-land? background checks at retail ARE enforceable so that you supported them 3 years ago? does that mean gun registration was OK by you 3 years ago?
While I will tentatively agree you now do not OPPOSE background checks, you do not SUPPORT either universal background checks, or bg checks in the current format, THAT is somewhat clear in your above postings despite your contradictions.
While I will tentatively agree you now do not OPPOSE background checks, you do not SUPPORT either universal background checks, or bg checks in the current format, THAT is somewhat clear in your above postings despite your contradictions.
The only contradictions are between your ears.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Most who are aware of the facts about the current status of gun law, know that we ALREADY have background checks at retail. Most who are aware of how background checks work at retail, know that registration has nothing to do with them.
Most who have a solid grasp on the background check issue, know that 'registration' would be required ONLY for background checks on person to person sales.
I'll make this plain. I DO support background checks at retail. My feelings on background checks on person to person sales is meh whatever, go right ahead. Even though I know its just going to lead to another fight, at some point, when the rest of you figure out what I and the DOJ and a whole lot of others figured out a long time ago: you need registration to make it work. And I know that fight is going to happen, because I do not support gun registration of any kind for any reason outside the NFA, and I never will.
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I seriously doubt that gangbangers et al would be treated as an exception
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#16
I think it is you who misses the point. And the canard canard again. LOL!
Starboard Tack
Aug 2014
#26
"If there were no guns available, then how would the gangbangers acquire them?"
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2014
#42
it's really going to happen isn't it? we can't even get sensible gun control let alone getting rid
samsingh
Aug 2014
#2
The guns that they are fighting hardest to ban are involved in less than 300 murders/yr.
benEzra
Aug 2015
#55
"Through each war we are in, combatants have become more and more willing to shoot to kill."
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2014
#43
And a liberal criminologist destroys the "Nobody wants to take your guns" meme
pablo_marmol
Aug 2014
#41