The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland.

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41. re: your thoughts above from #31

...JFK WAS REFERRING TO THE PREVAILING VIEW OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT AT THE TIME 1960, which was militia based.

Yes it was/is and the unorganized militia is still the militia.

...here is NO drilling necessary to belong to unorg'd militia.

No and there will likely never be an emergency that requires a response of marching in a column or standing at parade rest.

There is NO organized method of training in the unorg'd militia to 'develop skill at arms'.

I see you're catching on to the meaning of unorganized. Bravo.

Aside from that the unorg'd militia has never showed up armed to fight any battle.

They show up in groups of one and join the ranks of the national military all the time. Of great value in modern conflict regardless of terrain or theater is the sniper. They are valued for their abilities at precision targeting of personnel and equipment, gathering intel and the ability to improvise and overcome challenges in roles including counterinsurgency and spec ops work. Folks that have these skills predominately acquire them over long periods. Most often they begin shooting as teens and young adults. These are not the kind of abilities one can learn during basic training as a rule. These are folks that have not only superior marksmanship but have the focus and determination to keep mission and safety critical requirements at the forefront of their concentration and weigh carefully new data that affects their assignments and their team members. The fact that you fail to recognize this only serves to enhance my opinion of them.

dscntnt: You claim that "well regulated" would exclude "unorganized" but you have yet to offer proof of that in light of the 18th century usage of the these terms at the time of their authoring.

You misquoted me, what I wrote: .. the unorganized militia, by defintion of the word unorganized, is not well regulated, and therefore could not possibly be the well reg'd militia described in the 2nd amendment.

And again your unproven assertion is repeated.

UNOR'GANIZED...
OR'GANIZE...
REG'ULATE...

The term in the 2A is "well regulated" which at the time also carried the meaning of effective. In spite of your various departures in to tangents, to be effective as an adjunct to a military unit either singly or as a group, a militia needs to know how to shoot. Learning to shoot is impossible without a firearm. Our national defense is currently formulated on the premise that civilians with precise or adaptable skills will join the military as needs arise. Doctors, chaplains, pilots, cooks and marksmen are all part of today's military. Often they come to their country's assistance with much of the training they will need for those tasks. It's a system that works.

You dscntnt, argue the absurd.

Apparently I argue with the absurd. Fixed that for you.

I eagerly await a progress report on your efforts to change title 10. Have fun.