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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
67. prevented is not stopped
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:28 PM
Oct 2015

decoy: You're asking for proof of a logical fallacy... it is a logical impossibility to stop a "mass shooting", since if it qualifies as a mass shooting, it was not, by definition, "stopped" by the CCWer.

Huh? double double talk talk your forte'? Pathetically weak argument you make, since any mass shooting could indeed be 'stopped' by an armed citizen or cops by stopping the shooter from shooting anymore, killing or incapacitating him in some manner. DUH. Don't conflate 'stopped' with 'prevented' anymore please.

“Is there an example in school shootings or a mall shooting or these public facilities, where that has been wrong? Where a bad guy with a gun has been stopped in any other way or by a person other than a law enforcement officer with a gun or by killing himself?” asked Blackwell.

It's clear enough to those of us more informed on the issue than the fake of fenris & friends, what blackwell was asking Shannon Watts, and she interpreted the question as pertaining to mass shootings at churches, schools, or public facilities, implied by Blackwell.

decoy: What I linked were, to the best of my knowledge, situations that, in honest examinations, -would have- turned into mass shootings if the shooter was left unmolested by CCW holders.

Conjecture does not a mass shooting make. You cannot apply your biased hypotheticals to smear someone else citing stats on what actually transpired. Logic fallacy & all that. And you again are describing 'preventing' a mass shooting, not stopping one in progress.

decoy: In the instance you cited, the construction foreman stopped a threat that obviously had the intent of becoming a mass shooter.

You surely mean he prevented the possibility of a mass shooting. And the gunman evidently gave forewarning, mass shooters usually rely on surprise: Austin police .. said the suspect was recently fired from the construction site and returned with a gun. He opened fire on the site’s foreman, who drew his own gun and returned fire — hitting the suspect. Police say the suspect had recently returned to the site and had been threatening the foreman..

decoy: If we're ever going to discuss violence civilly and with a reasonable expectation of progress, we need to be able to admit when we're wrong, JTO.

I admit error when due, but not to some charlatan using hypotheticals to make it seem so, so go soak your head.

The campus is NOT gun free. SheilaT Oct 2015 #1
actually, they do have a gun free policy gejohnston Oct 2015 #2
Those numbers are highly suspect. SheilaT Oct 2015 #3
suspect? gejohnston Oct 2015 #4
wrong again batman jimmy the one Oct 2015 #19
nope, I'm right as always gejohnston Oct 2015 #23
mr ego says he's always right jimmy the one Oct 2015 #24
is your foot sore? jimmy the one Oct 2015 #25
you clearly missed the point gejohnston Oct 2015 #26
provide link jimmy the one Oct 2015 #29
Watts said a lot of things wrong in the clip gejohnston Oct 2015 #30
no support from your link to what you say jimmy the one Oct 2015 #31
Pfft. New life is just an example. beevul Oct 2015 #34
I can think of a couple examples gejohnston Oct 2015 #35
year of the rat jimmy the one Oct 2015 #36
I proved that she is a gejohnston Oct 2015 #37
3rd request to j man jimmy the one Oct 2015 #40
It was a video, not a tweet- but she still said it *and you know it, as you replied to it*: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #42
Also, Shannon Watts is demonstrated liar and a poor excuse for a Democrat... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #43
Big fan of GMO foods at Monsanto too. DonP Oct 2015 #44
OK, now PROVE IT jimmy the one Oct 2015 #48
Glad you asked, here's several: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #50
Massive Iconic Fail jimmy the one Oct 2015 #52
I believe my examples met your criteria. Whether *you* agree or disagree is not my concern n/t friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #54
I don't report and alert gejohnston Oct 2015 #45
4th request jimmy the one Oct 2015 #49
Shannon Watts is a proven liar and a piss-poor excuse for a Democrat friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #51
10:04 in the video. You're wrong. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #55
Another one jumps in the briar patch jimmy the one Oct 2015 #59
You, and Shannon Watts, are still wrong, and she's still a liar. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #62
not applicable jimmy the one Oct 2015 #64
You're asking for proof of a logical fallacy. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #65
prevented is not stopped jimmy the one Oct 2015 #67
Don't take the shouting and handwaving too much to heart- we're dealing with a version of these: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #61
See, I don't think Jimmy's really a flat earther. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #63
a fake faking it jimmy the one Oct 2015 #68
shannon tweet jimmy the one Oct 2015 #69
sure gejohnston Oct 2015 #56
Pot, stop calling the kettle black. beevul Oct 2015 #33
It's the same reason kudzu22 Oct 2015 #5
Respectfully, carrying a weapon is for self-defense, not strategic law enforcement... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #8
"What we never get..." beevul Oct 2015 #14
former cop, working as security guard jimmy the one Oct 2015 #18
I think youre having some troubles. beevul Oct 2015 #20
go away jimmy the one Oct 2015 #21
Volunteer security... Wouldn't want you to miss that detail. beevul Oct 2015 #22
poor you jimmy the one Oct 2015 #28
Oh, I'm sorry, beevul Oct 2015 #32
snopes fact check on assam jimmy the one Oct 2015 #38
more truth about jeanne assam jimmy the one Oct 2015 #39
I'm still sorry. beevul Oct 2015 #41
trip down memory lane for bull weasels jimmy the one Oct 2015 #53
There isn't much there to rebut. beevul Oct 2015 #57
I believe one of gejohnston's graphics best describes the situation: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #58
wrong again batman beevul jimmy the one Oct 2015 #60
Wrong about what? beevul Oct 2015 #66
wrong about a lot jimmy the one Oct 2015 #70
Firearms don't have guided bullets....line of sight only. ileus Oct 2015 #11
Most "gun free zone" policies have no force of law. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #6
That should be changed. No reason to coddle terrorists on university campuses. stone space Oct 2015 #9
back to you old self I see Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #10
As usual, I see you are still missing the target. Lurks Often Oct 2015 #13
This is a lie. stone space Oct 2015 #15
That is exactly what you meant Lurks Often Oct 2015 #17
Ya know stone, GGJohn Oct 2015 #47
So do you believe sarisataka Oct 2015 #16
You said, and I quote: GGJohn Oct 2015 #46
So, a dozen students with guns. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7
Our hospital is the same way, we have those silly little signs on the doors ileus Oct 2015 #12
for the nra - the shooter killed himself so more arms would have had him bring more weapons patsimp Oct 2015 #27
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