Gun Control & RKBA

DetlefK

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24. All I'm saying is that weapons don't guarantee freedom from tyranny.

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:21 PM

Oct 2015

Which means, it boils down to weighing the advantages and disadvantages of the presence of weapons.

How likely is a tyranny to break out?
In the event of tyranny, how likely is it that it's a tyranny that can be prevented with guns?
Until that kind of tyranny breaks out, what are the side-effects of having guns?
How should the present side-effects of guns be weighted against the future effects of a specific kind of tyranny?

For example:
The US is by a myriad of regulations and laws locked in a Two-Party-system that perpetually enshrines that either of those two political parties rules, while those two political parties are at the same time beholden to Big Money due to circumstances created by regulations and laws, making democratic change next to impossible even if the majority of the population were to demand it.

How do you fight that kind of tyranny with a gun, short of "Kill everybody, let God sort 'em out?"

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Why "a free state" as opposed to "the state"? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 OP

Defense against what? Human101948 Oct 2015 #1

I don't think the army of the crown wore jackboots in those days but if you're referring to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #3

Certainly they killed British officers and troops as members of a militia or army... Human101948 Oct 2015 #12

All of them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #14

A unique reinterpretation of history... Human101948 Oct 2015 #17

Who formed the Continental Congress? Who appointed the officers? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #18

They were not self-appointed... Human101948 Oct 2015 #21

The colonies had no legal authority to appoint them. The colonies belonged to the Crown. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #22

It was not a group of unorganized individuals... Human101948 Oct 2015 #23

No, they were not unorganized. They were self-organized. Even anarchists do that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #31

Know your history... sarisataka Oct 2015 #26

It is not applicable today upaloopa Oct 2015 #2

The idea of a free state has no place in the modern world? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #4

The idea of citizen-militias with rifles defending a 21st century First-World country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #6

You mean like Vietnam, Afghanistan or Cuba? DonP Oct 2015 #7

"...the right of the people to keep and bear explosives shall not be infringed." DetlefK Oct 2015 #9

Common misconception sarisataka Oct 2015 #10

Sounds like you have a problem with the first amendment too beardown Oct 2015 #13

And the purpose of the militia is to secure "a free state" -- not "the state." Hence the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #15

The Swiss aren't prepping to wage war against their own country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #25

Well, it certainly wouldn't be worth it for their own government to wage war on them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #29

In 1968 we used to see the red light on the horizon upaloopa Oct 2015 #32

I'm guessing the enemy was resoundingly defeated. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #33

And all that hardware is why we won against the little men with rifles, oh wait. DonP Oct 2015 #34

Do you think you could pacify 80+ million people with over 300 million weapons? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #8

It doesn't take violence for a tyrant to prevent a revolution. DetlefK Oct 2015 #11

Your every argument seems to depend on very lurid fantasies. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #16

How many Germans opposed Hitler? DetlefK Oct 2015 #19

So because the Germans abrogated their basic human decency that gives you the moral authority Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #20

All I'm saying is that weapons don't guarantee freedom from tyranny. DetlefK Oct 2015 #24

"How likely is a tyranny to break out?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #30

Gordian Knot complexity valuation beardown Oct 2015 #35

Many non-Germans did. Straw Man Oct 2015 #36

Tyrants discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #28

On insurrection, etc.: Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #39

"Well, tell me how many militia-men and how many rifles it would take to take down the FBI..." beevul Oct 2015 #40

Oh, you're dreaming of a big, clear-cut revolution of good-vs-evil. DetlefK Oct 2015 #41

I'm dreaming? Its YOUR hypothetical. beevul Oct 2015 #42

My bad. I had lost track of this thread. DetlefK Oct 2015 #43

No problem. I appreciate you owning up to it. beevul Oct 2015 #45

But this would lead to new problems for the rebels: DetlefK Oct 2015 #46

Feel free to start a repeal movement, keep us posted on the progress DonP Oct 2015 #5

Were not sarisataka Oct 2015 #27

The Militia were STATE entities, long before the 2nd was authored, jmg257 Oct 2015 #37

I've read several of the opinions offered in your thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #38

a Free State...a republican gov't. And how it is to remain so, via the Militias. jmg257 Oct 2015 #44