Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Just one example of why untrained people should not be carrying guns:
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:39 PM
Nov 2015
On Tuesday, customers were coming and going in the parking lot of a Home Depot near Detroit when a shoplifter suddenly came tearing across the blacktop. The shoplifter, who appeared to be in his 40s and wore a black shirt and hat, was pushing a cart full of stolen power tools and welding equipment worth more than $1,000.

As a Home Depot loss prevention officer came running after him, the shoplifter shoved the stolen goods into a waiting black SUV and jumped in.

That’s when a female bystander pulled out a concealed pistol and fired several shots at the fleeing shoplifters, possibly striking one of the SUV’s rear tires.

The shoplifters nonetheless escaped, according to a press release from the Auburn Hills Police Department.

The female shooter stayed at the scene and is cooperating fully with the investigation, according to police. Cops have not identified her but have said she is 46 years old, from the nearby city of Clarkston and holds a valid concealed pistol license.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/
morning-mix/wp/2015/10/08/woman-with-concealed-gun-permit-shoots-at-fleeing-shoplifter-could-face-charges/

Hankins and other firearms instructors told the newspaper that concealed weapon license holders should only pull their guns if someone is in imminent danger of death or serious injury, including a sexual assault. Those who draw their pieces too quickly and frivolously fire at people can face serious felony charges, from the reckless use of a firearm to assault.



It is just this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by civilians.
One: As far as I know, shoplifting is not a death penalty offense.
Two: The woman had a valid permit. Presumably she had some training, but she also demonstrated a complete lack of sense.
Three: How many of these incidents will it take to demolish the myth that untrained civilians can make a difference?
Since you asked so nicely: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #1
What evidence is there hat the shooter Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #2
Now you went and did it. beevul Nov 2015 #3
Nice graphic. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #5
Why did you not ask about the fleeing suspects? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #6
Because the thread was about people CCing legally, and you produced no evidence... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #8
The issue for many here is that when untrained, or minimally trained guillaumeb Nov 2015 #9
Which would be relevant, if that what was happened in the OP- but it didn't friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #11
BTW, I agree with Hendricks on training, and have no problem with training requirements... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #14
see my post #12 eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #13
Your post #12 advocates collective guilt, an unattractive notion on a progressive site friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #15
What is progressive about the notion that Americans should all be carrying a gun guillaumeb Nov 2015 #17
When someone *actually makes* the argument "that Americans should all be carrying a gun",... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #19
I suggest that you read post #12. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #20
I did. A few examples still do not prove that the many are dangerous friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #26
I hate to bring this up, but I am glad you mentioned Trump. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #29
"He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal." friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #31
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark DonP Nov 2015 #36
I am attempting to counter NRA inspired propaganda with reason. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #37
"This post was quite obviously put here to justify concealed and open carry as being crime... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #43
I agree LinneaTench Nov 2015 #57
In todays day and age there's really no excuse for not carrying in most areas. ileus Nov 2015 #4
What day and age are you referring to? The 1860s in the US frontier? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #7
How about the 2010s in Massachusetts? 318,000 people have carry permits here, as of last year friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #10
Just one example of why untrained people should not be carrying guns: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #12
"It is...this type of incident that makes a strong case for an absolute ban on concealed carry by... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #16
Advocates for concealed and open carry make the point guillaumeb Nov 2015 #18
Are 10s of thousands of Americans killed each year Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #21
This is what I actually wrote: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #22
If they aren't statistically dangerous, there's no problem. Since you're not Secretary of Needs... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24
They are not "statistically dangerous" unless or until they become so. eom guillaumeb Nov 2015 #28
Much as anyone else, to be sure... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #34
This is what I read. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #25
Yep TeddyR Nov 2015 #35
I think law enforecement and prosecutors need to Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #46
One thing that *can* be proven, however- the number of legal CCers that commit crimes friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #23
From the statistics: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #27
now compare CHL holder to cop gejohnston Nov 2015 #30
He attempts to blow up isolated incidents into a massive problem to accomplish his goal... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #33
Civilian carry is touted by the NRA and others as being a crime preventative. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #38
It wasn't the NRA, it was some academic gejohnston Nov 2015 #40
Uh, no, actually. CCW is for self-defense, not for affecting social policy... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #47
Or to confer the illusion of self defense. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #49
That choice is for individuals to make for themselves friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #50
"Little or (no) demonstrable effect"? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #51
We are talking of licensed concealed carry. Your '30,000' includes *all* guns, and suicides friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #52
Death due to guns is still death whether the user is licensed ot not. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #53
Good for you, that's your choice to make ... DonP Nov 2015 #54
That would be relevant only if the licensed are held responsible for the acts of the unlicensed friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #55
Fear & death: Always a profitable industry in any sector... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #56
3 murders and 158 total convictions out of a group of 708,048 people friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #32
And this means: guillaumeb Nov 2015 #39
legal gun carriers are more law abiding than average gejohnston Nov 2015 #41
It was a good "solution" for the man in the OP ... DonP Nov 2015 #42
I fear you have been done a great disservice in the past friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #44
Or that "I declare *this* practice to be unnecessary" = "*This* practice should be made illegal"... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #45
Links to improbable storm of stories and ads; only a pic of a man & story title. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #48
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»"Concealed carry sho...»Reply #12