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Gun Control & RKBA

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:21 AM Jan 2016

What if instead of a gun-owner-registry, there were a national gun-registry? [View all]

http://europe.newsweek.com/gun-control-where-criminals-get-weapons-412850?rm=eu
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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/8/1467272/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-A-national-crisis-like-this-demands-a-national-response

A national survey of inmates of state prisons found that just 10 percent of youthful (age 18-40) male respondents who admitted to having a gun at the time of their arrest had obtained it from a gun store. The other 90 percent obtained them through a variety of off-the-book means: for example, as gifts or sharing arrangements with fellow gang members. [...] If a gun ends up in criminal use, it is usually after several more transactions. The average age of guns taken from Chicago gangs is over 11 years.

The gun at that point has been diverted from legal commerce. In this respect, the supply chain for guns is similar to the supply chain for other products that have a large legal market but are subject to diversion.

In the case of guns, diversion from licit possession and exchange can occur in a variety of ways: theft, purchase at a gun show by an interstate trafficker, private sales where no questions are asked, straw purchases by girlfriends and so forth.



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My proposal:
("Gun-owner" refers to any type and form of gun-producer, gun-seller and gun-owning citizen.)

1. Every gun must be registered in a national database. For each gun there's a file that lists the current owner and all the former owners and when it changed hands.

2. Not informing the gun-registry who's the current owner of the gun is a crime.

3. Gun-owners would have to prove once a year that they still own the guns registered on their names. Failure to produce all the guns on demand is a crime and you get charged with arms-trafficking.

4. Possession of an unregistered gun is a crime.



If you sell a gun to someone, you both have to inform the registry who's the new owner.
If you gift a gun to someone, you both have to inform the registry who's the new owner.
If you lend/lease your gun to someone, you are on the hook as a co-perpetrator for all the crimes committed with the gun because you are still the legal owner of the gun.
If a gun gets stolen, you have to inform the registry within 7 days of the act or you get charged with arms-trafficking.



Checking once a week whether all your guns are still there and proving to the authorities once a year that they are still in the hands of a law-abiding citizen.

That should make it harder to make a gun "disappear" and end up in the hands of criminals.
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NO. GGJohn Jan 2016 #1
Why? DetlefK Jan 2016 #3
I stated my reasons, GGJohn Jan 2016 #5
I would say they have both. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #16
And I would disagree, as does the ACLU. GGJohn Jan 2016 #18
Where do you get your info? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #19
The ACLU opposes registration. GGJohn Jan 2016 #20
Imagine that... beevul Jan 2016 #26
I notice that quieted him down. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #33
I've got other stuff to do. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #58
From the ACLU safeinOhio Jan 2016 #59
I don't know about deseretnews safeinOhio Jan 2016 #38
The ACLU has long opposed registration due to privacy rights. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #42
Not quite safeinOhio Jan 2016 #44
by the way safeinOhio Jan 2016 #45
You assume far too much. GGJohn Jan 2016 #88
How about ABC News? Straw Man Jan 2016 #61
The ACLU still safeinOhio Jan 2016 #84
You keep clinging to that. DonP Jan 2016 #86
Which has squat to do with them opposing registration due to privacy concerns. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #87
Right. Straw Man Jan 2016 #91
Yep and if safeinOhio Jan 2016 #92
respecting their opinion on one thing gejohnston Jan 2016 #93
That is a stretch as safeinOhio Jan 2016 #94
no, gejohnston Jan 2016 #95
I think I have safeinOhio Jan 2016 #96
I don't think so gejohnston Jan 2016 #97
Comparing UK and Australia to safeinOhio Jan 2016 #98
Comparisons. Straw Man Jan 2016 #99
I'd call it safeinOhio Jan 2016 #101
Is it still a false equivalence when the gejohnston Jan 2016 #104
Oh, give 'em a little time. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #107
Odd....sounds like a gun owner registry. ileus Jan 2016 #2
Yeah, my wording there was bad. DetlefK Jan 2016 #4
really ? DustyJoe Jan 2016 #6
Well, what happened to your guns? DetlefK Jan 2016 #102
Don't We Do Something Like That For Cars?..... global1 Jan 2016 #7
that is true only if you drive it on public roads gejohnston Jan 2016 #8
How Do You Get Your Car From The Dealer To Your Private Property?..... global1 Jan 2016 #9
tow truck gejohnston Jan 2016 #11
Could you point out where in the Constitution safeinOhio Jan 2016 #17
I never said it wasn't constitutional gejohnston Jan 2016 #22
OK I can buy that. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #35
the infrastructure has to paid for gejohnston Jan 2016 #39
that might be one way to look at it safeinOhio Jan 2016 #43
That is a uniquely US definition gejohnston Jan 2016 #47
works with machine guns safeinOhio Jan 2016 #56
No it doesn't gejohnston Jan 2016 #60
Liberalism is associated with a belief in high Individual liberty. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #89
I think Canada Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #80
Car hauler, same way I get my Jeep to the trail. ileus Jan 2016 #13
In Florida, they're called "grove trucks," Texas, "ranch rockets.".... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #108
Cars aren't a right....also you're not right. ileus Jan 2016 #12
Just Saying... some municipalities restrict the number nykym Jan 2016 #52
That is generally the case for urban and suburban areas... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #53
I am neither nykym Jan 2016 #54
My town has similar rules discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #67
We have the same rule here in Rural Va. ileus Jan 2016 #55
In the spirit of compromise sarisataka Jan 2016 #10
THIS is a worthy idea, one backed here for years. ^^^ Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #109
No. beevul Jan 2016 #14
You saying I can keep my house without safeinOhio Jan 2016 #21
If you want to invite the TSA into your home, feel free. beevul Jan 2016 #24
TSA will not ask to... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27
Is your bag private property? safeinOhio Jan 2016 #31
As a matter of fact it is... beevul Jan 2016 #37
Not at all safeinOhio Jan 2016 #40
And you enjoy your TSA. beevul Jan 2016 #48
Paying taxes does not allow a search of your home. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #81
My response was to a comment about property rights and search rights. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #82
That's because all land is purchased in a legal deed concept called "Fee Simple". NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #83
I agree on the 4th however safeinOhio Jan 2016 #85
Did you not read the defintiion of Fee Simple? NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #90
Are you aware that felons cannot be legally required to register their guns? hack89 Jan 2016 #15
Seems a universal background check on purchase safeinOhio Jan 2016 #23
That's already been done gejohnston Jan 2016 #25
Not even in the US those examples safeinOhio Jan 2016 #28
they were rare before NFA gejohnston Jan 2016 #41
"Full autos are more common in" Hollywood! Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #110
Do you really think those engaged in illegal gun trafficking care? nt hack89 Jan 2016 #29
Apparently they do when safeinOhio Jan 2016 #34
There are over 300 million unregistered guns in America hack89 Jan 2016 #36
Sure are a lot of folks driving faster than the safeinOhio Jan 2016 #57
But acts of gun violence are exceedingly rare compared to the number guns and gun owners hack89 Jan 2016 #62
You don't think gangs safeinOhio Jan 2016 #64
Central America and Mexico are awash with automatic weapons hack89 Jan 2016 #65
Those same cartels and drug gangs safeinOhio Jan 2016 #66
So the Feds ignore heroin, cocaine and meth but will come down hard because of automatic weapons? hack89 Jan 2016 #68
Why can't the Feds come down hard on the cartels and drug gangs using semi-automatic weapons? hack89 Jan 2016 #69
Most of the crime here are state crimes safeinOhio Jan 2016 #70
Every major city has SWAT teams with automatic weapons hack89 Jan 2016 #71
Every city swat team safeinOhio Jan 2016 #73
Hold on a second hack89 Jan 2016 #74
City cops are not all that trained. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #75
Questions? HockeyMom Jan 2016 #30
There are a bunch of safeinOhio Jan 2016 #32
Under the Gun Control Act, gejohnston Jan 2016 #46
Or mentally impaired HockeyMom Jan 2016 #50
how mentally impaired? gejohnston Jan 2016 #51
That depends on the state you live in HockeyMom Jan 2016 #63
The Gun Control Act defines it as gejohnston Jan 2016 #72
Yes, Adjudicated is the key HockeyMom Jan 2016 #78
I don't know anything about Lanza gejohnston Jan 2016 #79
A question about NYS law. Straw Man Jan 2016 #100
You are mistaken, autism is NOT a mental illness Lurks Often Jan 2016 #103
I was not talking about Autism HockeyMom Jan 2016 #105
My post was in response to your comments regarding Adam Lanza & Nancy Lanza ONLY Lurks Often Jan 2016 #106
Here is a list from the FBI discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #76
If the law changes after you register the firearm then they know where to go to get them bolus Jan 2016 #49
I have no problem with them registering guns or gun owners. They should doc03 Jan 2016 #77
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