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Gun Control & RKBA

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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48. No one seeks to find tyrannical governments
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

It is when such governments find you that some decisions become necessary. I note from history that the US revolution in the 18th century did not begin until a protracted sequence of abuses and abrogations of colonist's rights had occurred. It is always that way with tyranny. It's only when common folks recognize that they have not much future in continuing under the existing system that revolution is accepted.

There will always be a balance to be struck between the general degree of freedom and the burden of government needed to help those who can't help themselves. In recognizing, the basic need of medical help everyone, the ACA brings an aspect of safety those who've fallen on hard times. As many members have noted here on DU, this system is not perfect and is mostly just a first step but it's a good one.

JFK said: "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia,' 'the security of the nation,' and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms,' our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."

One of the keys to government respect for the individual is that its armed agents view themselves as fellow citizens. The RKBA places the average person on the same level (of armament) with a soldier or a murderer. The type of weapon is not as important as equality the right delivers.

There will not be an engagement (or at least maybe only a very few) between our current government's military and our people. The equalizing factor of the RKBA is a foundation for that equality. It is not so much the prospect of tactical success as it is the premise for the current serviceman to view himself as a common citizen.

An infantryman will take a station because of his commitment to do his duty. But, more than his duty or his country, an infantryman will fight for his own life and lives of his brothers around him.

Everyone who serves in the military has accepted that his country may place him in harm's way. I can't see myself taking aim at such a fellow countrymen nor can I accept the idea that a fellow countryman, so prepared to chance his safety for the rest of us, will ever take aim at me.

whats your opinion? [View all] beergood Mar 2016 OP
You die TeddyR Mar 2016 #1
my point was beergood Mar 2016 #49
That's mighty big talk. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #52
"most disappear when it comes time to do the bleeding." beergood Mar 2016 #54
Oh TeddyR Mar 2016 #59
And where do you find this 'tyrannical government' COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #2
Here's a thought experiment. Straw Man Mar 2016 #4
So the answer is there is none. All the rest of the 2A COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #6
Myopic much? Straw Man Mar 2016 #7
I prefer to deal with real problems today COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #8
Chalk up another one ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #12
Keep standing tall and protecting us from the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #13
When reasoned argument fails ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #14
It can't happen here beardown Mar 2016 #16
That's fascinating. I have family in Ukraine. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #17
My co worker would disagree with you. beardown Mar 2016 #23
I hate to tell you this but if your co-worker and his family COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #28
Not just a few. beardown Mar 2016 #29
Trump is no Hitler. He is, however COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #30
We actually don't have any idea what Trump might turn out to be TeddyR Mar 2016 #60
Of course you are correct. It could *never* happen here. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #32
In theory anything is 'possible' so no one can COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #37
When I saw Red Dawn, gejohnston Mar 2016 #38
It certainly did that. But I suppose it had to portray the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #39
"But I really get a chuckle watching a bunch of overweight........" pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #42
No, but I do get a chuckle about people who spend COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #43
"No, but I do get a chuckle......." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #44
Well, to be honest, no one asked you. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #45
"Well, to be honest, no one asked you." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #46
The scene outside of a recent Donald Trump rally sarisataka Mar 2016 #9
OK. And your point is what? That COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #11
Simply noting that sarisataka Mar 2016 #15
No one seeks to find tyrannical governments discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #48
That's a great post. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #55
Thanks, please do and make some of the needed corrections to the grammar. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #56
Check your inbox Sunday. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #57
thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #58
Somebody will say Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #3
There is not one freedom we should give up just to feel good...that includes the 2A. ileus Mar 2016 #5
It isn't the army that an armed citizenry would be fighting. N/T beevul Mar 2016 #10
I consider that common argument, while largely true when applicable, to be irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #18
"hello Vietnam" beergood Mar 2016 #50
"Outgunned:" Vietnam, Algeria, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam again, Cuba,... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #19
my opinion is that: Big_Mike Mar 2016 #20
There is an old military adage GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #21
My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers. stone space Mar 2016 #22
It's sick and disturbing that you always associate sex with firearms Lurks Often Mar 2016 #24
Cost a small fortune in postage. stone space Mar 2016 #31
Typical non answer from you Lurks Often Mar 2016 #33
We won't let you destroy education in Iowa. (nt) stone space Mar 2016 #34
Here's hoping there will be campus carry in Iowa in 2016! Lurks Often Mar 2016 #35
More than likely there will be and there really is nothing you can do about it. eom. GGJohn Mar 2016 #36
Still waiting to hear how education was 'destroyed' in Utah, Washington, and Colorado friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #41
"We"? Was there a mouse in your pocket as you typed that? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #61
Great idea! It would be impressive to finally see a gun control fan actually DO something DonP Mar 2016 #25
Back so soon? sarisataka Mar 2016 #26
"My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers." beergood Mar 2016 #51
Now I know where to shop. CompanyFirstSergeant Mar 2016 #27
IMO .. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #47
thank you all beergood Mar 2016 #53
So we're back to talking about tyrannical governments, now that trump is out? Paladin Feb 2021 #62
Repeated use of vague innuendoes against a group you don't like speaks volumes, as well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #63
This thread moved to the top because a troll kicked it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #64
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