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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
26. no, actual responsibility
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:38 PM
Mar 2012

belongs to a school system that does not deal with bullying or identifying those who need help and providing it. Had that been in place, the problem would not exist. But that is hard work and requires deep thinking and real effort on the parties involved, which is often too much to ask in our society. So politicians see theater to make themselves look good, and ideologues (who wouldn't give a rat's ass if he used any other weapon, even if he killed more people, hence "dancing in blood&quot use it for propaganda.

I am simply sharing the view of German sociologist Wilhelm Heitmeyer expressed after Tristan van der Vlis shot a bunch of people in a Dutch mall, that stricter gun laws is a distraction from the real issue. (IIRC, Dutch law enforcement do not have access to mental health records while processing gun permits, since their laws were aimed to curb political violence.) The real issue is why do people need to "show in such a dreadful manner that they matter." The real issue is about bullying.
Banning guns, arming teachers, and other distractions are just that. None of them deal with the real fucking issue. If we deal with the real issue, the guns won't matter.

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Makes sense. It's not a "gun control" issue. montanto Mar 2012 #1
you're right, it's a lack of gun control issue bowens43 Mar 2012 #2
You are right that it's time for us to grow up. montanto Mar 2012 #4
According to you Somalia is civilized since guns are completely outlawed. shadowrider Mar 2012 #10
I"ll listen to ya. Tell us what"extreme control over hand guns and ammunition" oneshooter Mar 2012 #17
Wow, I guess you are afraid to answer a simple question. oneshooter Mar 2012 #56
Jamaica has stringent gun-control laws. really. it's true. SteveW Mar 2012 #74
Jamaica is also impovershed... ellisonz Mar 2012 #80
actually that is part of the point gejohnston Mar 2012 #81
Well that's the only good news from this accident. ileus Mar 2012 #3
Good.. Upton Mar 2012 #5
" Biggest Obstacle to Gun Control Reform" = .... -..__... Mar 2012 #6
"Biggest Obstacle to Gun Control Reform = The Republican Party -" rl6214 Mar 2012 #7
Toothless counter-argument. ellisonz Mar 2012 #8
Has nothing to do with cherry picking GOP views as there are obviously LOTS of Dems rl6214 Mar 2012 #9
The healthcare vote passed with no margin in the Senate and 3 votes in the House... ellisonz Mar 2012 #11
There were and are some authoritarian Repukes who would restrict arms aikoaiko Mar 2012 #12
That's a dwinled group too. ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
Please define, in your own words, "Common sense gun control reform" shadowrider Mar 2012 #49
Gun control reform... ellisonz Mar 2012 #52
before wanting more gun laws gejohnston Mar 2012 #53
You still haven't answered shadowrider Mar 2012 #57
Actually, I did. ellisonz Mar 2012 #58
An anonymous user on a website chasing shadowrider Mar 2012 #59
Hah... ellisonz Mar 2012 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #71
As I have no sig line to offer offense... Marengo Mar 2012 #60
Would you condemn... ellisonz Mar 2012 #63
Why won't you answer the question? Marengo Mar 2012 #66
Forget it shadowrider Mar 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #70
SOP: dodge question, bring up another one. Again. nt SteveW Mar 2012 #77
SOP: dodge question, bring up another one. BTW, what is the offensive remark? nt SteveW Mar 2012 #76
*crickets* ellisonz Mar 2012 #55
SOP: dodge question, bring up another one. Again. X 2. nt SteveW Mar 2012 #78
What do you mean by "political opinion is not grocery shopping" - are you saying petronius Mar 2012 #16
I think when the time comes to the vote... ellisonz Mar 2012 #18
No, I wouldn't - but that's not what you said petronius Mar 2012 #19
Sometimes I think you need to take one for the team... ellisonz Mar 2012 #21
"take one for the team" = "you will be assimilated into the borg" Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #31
You have no idea... ellisonz Mar 2012 #33
I disagree - if the party is mistaken on a point, it's better for us all petronius Mar 2012 #37
Are you afraid of open debate? Oh thats right "you don't like democracy". oneshooter Mar 2012 #47
You're quoting yourself now? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #51
Nope, quoting you. oneshooter Mar 2012 #68
You're deliberately misreading. ellisonz Mar 2012 #69
But you never denied it, even when asked directly, and you still haven't yet. oneshooter Mar 2012 #72
Ok... ellisonz Mar 2012 #73
Still no denial, so you really don't like democracy. Three chances, three strikes, YER OUT! oneshooter Mar 2012 #79
"I don't get how some people can cherry-pick GOP views that they agree with." PavePusher Mar 2012 #28
"It's called freedom of thought. I know, by your own words here, that this chaffs you mightily." ellisonz Mar 2012 #34
The problem is, you want to take it up with the people that aren't doing any of that... beevul Mar 2012 #36
Actually... ellisonz Mar 2012 #38
I wasn't talking about CAP laws. beevul Mar 2012 #44
one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #46
Those goal posts sure do look heavy, good luck with them. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #54
"Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate" Oneka Mar 2012 #40
Do "batshit crazy" Republicans include the Brady Center? "Cherry-picked," are they? nt SteveW Mar 2012 #75
Biggest obstacle to dealing with real issues gejohnston Mar 2012 #14
"dancing in blood" ellisonz Mar 2012 #15
search me, gejohnston Mar 2012 #20
Actually, I think it's a projection. ellisonz Mar 2012 #22
Projection? Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #24
Okay. ellisonz Mar 2012 #25
So, let's see if I understand you. Your side can project your feelings of inadequacy and phobia onto Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #29
Because they aren't. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #64
They *are* failing... to reduce the number of guns. Guns themselves are the problem for some. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #65
no, actual responsibility gejohnston Mar 2012 #26
If you believe the district attorney... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35
easy access? gejohnston Mar 2012 #39
We will probably never know... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41
not bullshit, gejohnston Mar 2012 #42
Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #43
What utter tripe. beevul Mar 2012 #45
While I agree with 99% of what you say here, montanto Mar 2012 #50
Ain't it the truth! montanto Mar 2012 #48
DO they ask lawmakers after every drunk driver-caused fatality if it will prompt a legislative Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #23
No, no, no....... PavePusher Mar 2012 #27
I strap my car around me every time I leave the house. Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #30
You're... you're a.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #32
Not me, I'm a Tote-ite shadowrider Mar 2012 #61
The society that antis envision scares me more than any shooting. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #82
Hyperbole. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #83
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