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DonP

(6,185 posts)
15. An accurate scientific study is not possible, it will always be an "estimate"
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Since not all DGUs are reported to the authorities and usually do not involve firing the gun, getting a finite number is impossible.

And I guess you can ignore that CDC study they did in 2013, under President Obama's direction. But we all know he's just another NRA shill anyway.

"CDC Study: Use of Firearms For Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’" - July, 2013

“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,” says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

Soooo, my math is a little rusty, but is a low end estimate of 500,000 more or less than the roughly 10,000 murders with guns, a number that continues to fall every year?

Also worth noting, it also kinda gives lie to the gun grabber meme that the CDC is not allowed to do gun related studies, don't it?

But in the end, it's not really about the statistics or piling up stacks of studies funded by Bloomberg, it's about a personal decision to carry for self defense.

This cannot be counted as a defensive gun use GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #1
Logical circle jerk. mikeysnot Apr 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #3
There is no "(alleged) relative infrequency" it is a mathematical infrequency. Cannot be argued. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #14
How about this statistic MillennialDem Apr 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #18
I'm not sure what you mean by "recruiting stations"? Military? But would I volunteer to MillennialDem Apr 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #20
Armor (as in armored vehicles). If they'd let this old girl in at this point. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #22
Easy, if the muppet refuses to come out, leave but throw a GPS on their car and figure out their MillennialDem Apr 2016 #25
Funny how somebody claiming to be progressive loves the idea of a police state so much DonP Apr 2016 #37
Nah, I just rely on not being perpetually scared my whole life. I feel bad for children of gunners MillennialDem Apr 2016 #38
Sure you do DonP Apr 2016 #39
Not even sure if you're saying I go to gun control meetings and mock me for that, or if you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #40
Let me help you out here DonP Apr 2016 #41
I do better than that MillennialDem Apr 2016 #42
Good lord, please stop using the discredited Kellerman study! DonP Apr 2016 #43
The problem is MillennialDem Apr 2016 #44
Thats an opinion, and one not very well grounded in reality. beevul Apr 2016 #45
So, bottom line, you're just another online whiner about guns DonP Apr 2016 #46
Who is a moron? Marengo Apr 2016 #49
"Muppet"? What is this "muppet" you speak of? Marengo Apr 2016 #48
Your "facts" are disingenuous... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #32
1. Defensive gun use has never been falsifiably studied and 2. It doesn't include MillennialDem Apr 2016 #34
Ah, the anticipated "Self Defense Denier" arrives, spews and departs DonP Apr 2016 #4
Few deny that some guns are used in self defense. The problem is more people die from gun MillennialDem Apr 2016 #13
An accurate scientific study is not possible, it will always be an "estimate" DonP Apr 2016 #15
You could do a scientific study. It would be costly, but it could be done. I also never said the CDC MillennialDem Apr 2016 #17
So, how do you propose to scientifically study "unreported incidents"? DonP Apr 2016 #23
Cameras on people with guns and without guns... MillennialDem Apr 2016 #24
Yeah, that whole 5th amendment thing is over rated too. DonP Apr 2016 #26
They would obviously be volunteering. MillennialDem Apr 2016 #27
Are you suggesting that people under surveillance... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #28
If you want to go by justified gun uses, you're going to pull your gun regardless of whether MillennialDem Apr 2016 #29
Unless you propose making a body cam mandatory... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #30
I think if you sweeten the pot with a money for participation in the study you're MillennialDem Apr 2016 #31
People being watched act differently than those not watched. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #33
If you have to justifiably pull a gun, you should do it. It might cut down on the MillennialDem Apr 2016 #35
Agreed, you should. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #36
And I thought it would be difficult to top safe rooms constructed with derelict refrigerators... Marengo Apr 2016 #47
K&R discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #6
That's why I included that last paragraph DonP Apr 2016 #7
Guns protecting lives....now that's how it's supposed to be. ileus Apr 2016 #8
Hate he had to shoot someone TeddyR Apr 2016 #9
Shot in the shoulder and leg shadowrider Apr 2016 #10
Also interesting that the neighbor reported hearing about 13 shots TeddyR Apr 2016 #11
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