Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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68. then let's talk about the issue without

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:37 AM

Dec 2011

being distracted by the means.
Americans shoot themselves more than Canadians, Canadians shoot themselves more than Germans, who shoot themselves more than Japanese.
Canada did have a slight of suicide by gun after passing their 1977 law (requiring licencing of all gun owners instead of just pistols. Why they regulated handguns more than machine guns until then still escapes me.) they did not see a drop in suicide as a whole. Hanging (the most common means in most places other than US and maybe Serbia and Switzerland) increased by same amount.
In short, no lives saved. One of my brother's high school friends had the choice of at least three guns but chose a cup of battery acid instead.
Talking about guns, ropes, bridges, trains (common means in Japan) does not address the issue at all.

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Common myth "If people want to die by suicide, we can't stop them." [View all] Starboard Tack Dec 2011 OP

People who commit suicide dont want to die rrneck Dec 2011 #1

Right, they are seriously conflicted Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #8

No rrneck Dec 2011 #16

I think you're talking off the top of your head Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #31

I've been doing the research rrneck Dec 2011 #33

That's because rrneck Dec 2011 #34

What is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #2

I must admit that confused me too. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #9

Well maybe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #15

Close enough for government work? SteveW Dec 2011 #26

interesting theory gejohnston Dec 2011 #3

Not sure why "automatic gun bans" would have any effect kudzu22 Dec 2011 #4

I don't think the reference is to automatic weapons Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #11

I'm confused about the term "automatic gun ban" in the article... spin Dec 2011 #5

I think the 'myth' is not entirely wrong - people who are deeply convinced petronius Dec 2011 #6

Agreed Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #12

Common myth: We should interfere with the wishes of others. Fair Witness Dec 2011 #7

This isn't about control freaks Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #13

Which seems like control to me. mvccd1000 Dec 2011 #21

We had to put a whole bunch of fences an nets on the Aurora bridge. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #23

What does a woman jumping off a bridge have to do with guns? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #25

Do you remember the title of your OP? mvccd1000 Dec 2011 #40

Are we to be denied the freedom to engage in self-destructive behavior? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #22

Are you being facetious? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #24

So what gun laws are you proposing? hack89 Dec 2011 #38

I'm not proposing any gun laws Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #55

We don't need gun legistlaion - we need properly funded health care including mental health. hack89 Dec 2011 #56

Son or daughter? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #42

What if your son or daughter were free adults? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #50

Want to keep moving those goalposts? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #51

Good. We're making progress Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #67

Then please elaborate on what you were on about when you said 'intervene'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #73

Is that so? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #28

I am certain you are way too intelligent to imagine anyone would take that post seriously. Fair Witness Dec 2011 #32

Live on a one way street, huh? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #49

Only in your wildest wet dreams. nt Fair Witness Dec 2011 #57

Was that sarcasm... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #52

Easiest way to commit suicide - just sit down. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #10

Point is, half the gun deaths in this country are suicides. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #14

Virtually 100% of the suicides in Japan are non-gun deaths. They still manage to kill themselves. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #18

Excuse me, but what does Japan have to do with this thread? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #29

the point was gejohnston Dec 2011 #30

Are you asserting that anything regarding the use of guns in other countries is off-topic? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #36

Of course not, but this thread is about suicide prevention in US culture Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #46

it is not about culture gejohnston Dec 2011 #47

And Japanese kill themselves more than Americans...without guns. It *is* about culture. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #60

true, that part is gejohnston Dec 2011 #61

Why does the means matter? Dead is dead. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #62

I agree gejohnston Dec 2011 #63

Just did. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #71

It's about access Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #64

The point is that the Japanese manage to have a higher suicide rate without access to firearms, Abin Sur Dec 2011 #59

The thread is not about 2A. It is about suicide Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #65

then let's talk about the issue without gejohnston Dec 2011 #68

The issue is about ease of access. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #72

Most of us care about actual, material gains. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #75

The fact that people kill themselves is a problem. That they use guns to do it is *not* a problem. Abin Sur Dec 2011 #70

It is intellectually dishonest to ignore the nature of suicide in nations where guns are AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #74

Not suprising - guns are easily available and effective. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #43

That's where you are so wrong Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #69

Doesn't seem to slow them down in Japan. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #77

"Automatic gun bans"? Does the author think there's a rash of full-auto suicides? Abin Sur Dec 2011 #17

I did Wolf Creek Pass in late December once DissedByBush Dec 2011 #19

Simple solution... make suicide illegal. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #20

...or no more than two a month. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #27

Gah! rrneck Dec 2011 #35

Do people usually use automatic weapons for suicide? ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #37

God, I hope not... pains me to imagine a pre '86 transferrable being confiscated/destroyed. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #39

That's two Gungeon threads reminding me of why I dropped my subscription to Psychobabble Today slackmaster Dec 2011 #41

Very understandable Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #44

no because gejohnston Dec 2011 #45

The writer has a Ph.D. in social psychology Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #54

Plays pretty fast and loose with language for a PHD. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #76

I don't support an armed citizenry. I support allowing people the freedom to choose to be armed. slackmaster Dec 2011 #48

Hey, I feel for you and I know how difficult it must have been. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53

This is a 100% true and 100% horrific story: A friend of mine, many years ago, Fair Witness Dec 2011 #58

Pity nobody picked up on the signs Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #66

I never heard, I always imagined it was either his, or maybe his dad's. Fair Witness Dec 2011 #78