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pablo_marmol

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56. From that right-wing CDC: (Ooooooops!)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016
Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” (emphasis added)

Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

“Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1
Recommended. My addition would be the words guillaumeb Jun 2016 #1
Yes, people will reject you if you attribute to them things they have not said and do not believe. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #14
Universes... beevul Jun 2016 #2
"separate universes with separate rules of logic..." jmg257 Jun 2016 #3
We can dismiss your argument... theatre goon Jun 2016 #4
That's not a derogatory remark, simply saying that people who hang out in flamin lib Jun 2016 #5
Sure, keep moving those goalposts. theatre goon Jun 2016 #6
And then there are some people . . . nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #7
What if you hang out in discussion groups TeddyR Jun 2016 #10
who is also a crappy musician gejohnston Jun 2016 #13
You called me fringe Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #12
Noting the same "like this one." I do seem pretty leftist, now that you bring it up. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #20
The NRA membership may be only 3% of gun owners, benEzra Jun 2016 #52
Yes, I saw that Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #11
Some of them do seem to believe... theatre goon Jun 2016 #15
What you're describing... beevul Jun 2016 #17
Wonder how much of that Skinner will tolerate with his renewed rules of civility? DonP Jun 2016 #18
Uh huh. beevul Jun 2016 #19
Add ammosexuals to the list Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #27
Do you think that juries sarisataka Jun 2016 #28
It would be surprising Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #29
An appeals process means those ignoring the rules will be recognized... beevul Jun 2016 #30
I hope so Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #31
I also note this singling out of the NRA in the context of pre-banned RW sources... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #22
Reminds me of an incident in H.S. I was a big civil rights supporter, a redneck friend wasn't... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #21
That reminds me of "bailing out" my daughter in High School DonP Jun 2016 #24
Heh-heh. Those were the good ol' days. (Afraid it sounds like an old tale, too.) Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25
She's 40 now and teaches English Lit at Chicago's top High School DonP Jun 2016 #26
He best legends are family legends. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #34
Bansalot Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #23
The OP is a rather weak dancer IMO. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #36
Bear in mind this is originating from a universe where words have... Marengo Jun 2016 #39
K&R - great post! Kang Colby Jun 2016 #8
Wonder why the OP never responded to your question about the book he was reading. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #32
Reminds me of of another poster Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33
Guess we got our answer re. why we can't have cogent discussions, eh? pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #35
I would use a stronger term Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #37
I can't imagine the answer to be so awkward or revealing as to trigger... Marengo Jun 2016 #40
I could kick at your analogies a bit, but that'd be nitpicking. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2016 #9
Oh, look. It's another "It's hard to have a civil discussion because you 'people' suck" thread. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #16
What is the name of the book? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #38
I would also like to know the title of this book... Marengo Jun 2016 #41
Seems like "Suing the Gun industry" by Timothy D. Lytton jmg257 Jun 2016 #42
Sorry to be so late but that's the book. flamin lib Jun 2016 #43
Thanks for the heads up - and about the "sleep inducing". Cheers! nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #44
Must say.....not surprised that you'd be drawn to a book with that title. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #45
Kleck couldn't research his way out of a paper bag with a road map and a razor blade.nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #46
Would you say that... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #47
There are several issues with Klecks methods. flamin lib Jun 2016 #49
just a few things gejohnston Jun 2016 #51
Sorry, GE, but you are positively, absolutely WRONG on every point. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #54
Asserted without evidence -- dismissed without evidence. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #57
You talking to me or to GE? flamin lib Jun 2016 #59
"Either way you bring NOTHING to the conversation. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #61
Mr. Johnston did a good job on slapping your nonsense down.....but more points: pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #55
Yeah and suppressors will save your hearing. Naaa, they just make your gun longer flamin lib Jun 2016 #60
That nonsense again? Straw Man Jun 2016 #62
After all the complaining about a lack of cogent discussion... Marengo Jun 2016 #64
From that right-wing CDC: (Ooooooops!) pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #56
But the CDC is banned from doing research regarding guns! theatre goon Jun 2016 #63
No........you don't need the sarcasm tag. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #65
LOL - even though pro-control academics have reached the same conclusions re. DGU's. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #48
See #47. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #50
I still have yet to see many on the gun control side acknowledge the rarity of rifle misuse, benEzra Jun 2016 #53
Part of the reason is faith-promoting rumor like the following-note who the author is: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #58
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