Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

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24. Sometimes all you can do with...

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:40 PM

Mar 2012

...this sort of silly claim is a massive 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School Kids Dying in Ohio: It's a Gun Problem [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

Right. elleng Mar 2012 #1

You're welcome. ellisonz Mar 2012 #2

B.S. Teenagers set kid on fire with gasoline. RegieRocker Mar 2012 #3

no way pip...it's those evil guns. ileus Mar 2012 #5

One shouldn't cast asparagus... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

Well it wasn't rare for the parents of the kid who got burned. You know the logical next step. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #68

Crass and pathetic counter-argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #70

You're the master of hyperbole, my friend. LAGC Mar 2012 #71

I'd rather be hyperbolic for less bloodshed... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72

That's just fucking brilliant! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #14

What is not brilliant is the fact you do not realize murders have been RegieRocker Mar 2012 #69

One wonders how you did miss the much higher rate of death associated with Automobiles, versus guns AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #160

gunz kill people. ileus Mar 2012 #4

like spoonz make people fat (nt) SATIRical Mar 2012 #51

The kid stole a firearm that was not properly secured. What is "properly secured"? oneshooter Mar 2012 #6

That's simple one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #7

+100 Well said. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #15

Well, that's a first. A +100 to sarcasm. shadowrider Mar 2012 #23

You and Brewster may intend it as sarcastic, but he's right on the money. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #33

So let me understand your rules shadowrider Mar 2012 #36

Those might be your rules, not mine. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48

Really? SATIRical Mar 2012 #54

I don't mean to be rude Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #95

News flash guns are designed to save. ileus Mar 2012 #82

So, if your boat gets stolen (failure to secure your property) and then oneshooter Mar 2012 #84

Sorry, but my boat was not designed to be a weapon Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #96

So if they're not designed as weapons, they don't kill anyone? shadowrider Mar 2012 #98

Nobody can be that thick. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #114

You are ignoring the fact that it can be made into one. And that by not securing it properly oneshooter Mar 2012 #111

I am responsible for my boat being secure Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #117

Oh? one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #122

Could you please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #135

They don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #136

How is that relevant to this discussion? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #140

Tremendous comfort ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #123

Why don't you ask them? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #128

Well, that would be horribly insensitive, don't you think? Straw Man Mar 2012 #130

Not designed to kill? Really? Nobody is that naive. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #134

Designed to kill? Really, nobody is that clueless. Straw Man Mar 2012 #137

so in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #26

If one chooses to own dangerous items, yes! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #30

we are talking a victim of theft gejohnston Mar 2012 #34

Oh, come on GE. You're one of the smarter members of this group. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #49

sorry gejohnston Mar 2012 #53

You just made the case for abstinance SATIRical Mar 2012 #55

What on earth are you talking about? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59

How typical... Clames Mar 2012 #73

And if he did... ellisonz Mar 2012 #74

It would be a sight more conducive to the discussion... Clames Mar 2012 #76

"Your side just can't get away from blaming inanimate objects. That is a problem in and of itself." ellisonz Mar 2012 #77

Really? Clames Mar 2012 #87

lol ellisonz Mar 2012 #89

Weak... Clames Mar 2012 #115

And there we have it. Straw Man Mar 2012 #124

Some may. I don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #127

So are you disavowing your "ultimate precaution" pronouncement? Straw Man Mar 2012 #132

You could call it dancing. Not a bad word. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #133

No, it's a good word. Straw Man Mar 2012 #138

What about a gun stolen from a Police Station? By your "logic" the cops shouldn't own guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #141

You obviously don't know me. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #154

Mea culpa...I don't think I've ever known anyone who thinks American cops shouldn't have guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #157

Which is why you are blaming the gun owner SATIRical Mar 2012 #56

Blaming one does not absolve the other Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #57

Then you also need to blame SATIRical Mar 2012 #60

You are being ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #62

Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #63

No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #65

Oh. So the kid could have fired the gun SATIRical Mar 2012 #66

If the bullets were sold to the kid, then yes, Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79

if the ammo was sold to the kid gejohnston Mar 2012 #86

Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #88

Don't be ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #93

if you think the uncle should be gejohnston Mar 2012 #64

Wrong ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #8

I guess posting info from the Brady Campaign, a right-wing Republican shadowrider Mar 2012 #9

Brady Campaign = right-wing Republican? ellisonz Mar 2012 #12

So if you can post from Republican sites, so can everyone else, right? shadowrider Mar 2012 #25

Your characterization of the Brady Campaign as Republican is spurrious. ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

The Brady Campaign is non-partisan? ROFL shadowrider Mar 2012 #32

Yeah pretty much... ellisonz Mar 2012 #39

Sure, as long as one of your anti-gun cohorts does it first shadowrider Mar 2012 #40

Shhblaaammm ellisonz Mar 2012 #42

Objectively? gejohnston Mar 2012 #37

last time I checked gejohnston Mar 2012 #31

So, what is a man's excuse? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #16

It's mainly a mental health problem slackmaster Mar 2012 #10

NO. It is a VIOLENCE PROBLEM. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #11

Brilliant. "the kind of firearm this kid used is about as "benign" a firearm as exists" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #20

Sometimes all you can do with... ellisonz Mar 2012 #24

Every firearm is a deadly weapon. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #50

"Every firearm is a deadly weapon." Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #52

Like I said, there is a reason why I put "benign" in quotes. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58

As I have stated many times Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #61

"I am not advocating any gun control." Horseshit. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #75

What does your quote have to do with gun control? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #78

When the same proposals are made in legislatures, they are acknowledged by all... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #80

You confuse self control with gun control Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #97

You can't necessarily report something stolen or missing shadowrider Mar 2012 #100

More fool you for having so many guns and not protecting them Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #104

Sure, I'd give my guns to a "surrogate owner" shadowrider Mar 2012 #106

No, you wouldn't be responsible Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #108

Hang on, that's not what you said earlier shadowrider Mar 2012 #110

Allow me to explain Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #113

I'm thoroughly confused shadowrider Mar 2012 #116

More confused than I thought. Let's try one more time. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #118

Quit being condescending shadowrider Mar 2012 #120

Where and when did I suggest giving them to a friend? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #121

Here shadowrider Mar 2012 #125

Your word , not mine. I would never give a gun to a friend. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #126

You didn't say "Professional Service", you said surrogate shadowrider Mar 2012 #155

for one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #102

Good point, but I stand by it. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #119

"Responsibility and accountability" is the new "reasonable and common-sense" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #81

How surprising that a proponent of handgun proliferation Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #99

because it is never defined gejohnston Mar 2012 #103

It's never defined shadowrider Mar 2012 #107

You are walking and talking like a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #85

A very sane duck, I might add. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #91

Mental state notwithstanding, still a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #105

I like ducks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #109

I like to eat them. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #112

You enjoy shooting shadowrider Mar 2012 #90

No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #92

Own any rifles or shotguns? shadowrider Mar 2012 #94

Not at present. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #101

So, let me get this straight. montanto Mar 2012 #17

That's not what he argued. ellisonz Mar 2012 #18

correlation is not causation. I rest my case. montanto Mar 2012 #19

Without getting into the nitty gritty... ellisonz Mar 2012 #21

even if he didn't steal it gejohnston Mar 2012 #22

Hypothetical. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #27

count on it gejohnston Mar 2012 #35

C'mon man. Drug dealers know guns are agin the law shadowrider Mar 2012 #28

I'll grant you that most would say the correlation is significant. montanto Mar 2012 #38

It's really not that complex... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41

Mea culpa. montanto Mar 2012 #44

Agreed. ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

We agree, then, that proaction is solution oriented, and montanto Mar 2012 #46

No one takes action without belief... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47

It's the brady bunch, who gives a rats ass what he thinks. rl6214 Mar 2012 #43

Why blame an inanimate object? Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #67

No no...it's a gun, ask any Anti they'll tell you guns kill people...designed to kill no less. ileus Mar 2012 #83

So once again... it's okay if teenagers are troubled, bullied, teased, and become violent. krispos42 Mar 2012 #129

Not at all... ellisonz Mar 2012 #131

Nobody is saying that it "plays no role." Straw Man Mar 2012 #139

"that it's a supporting rather than a central role." ellisonz Mar 2012 #144

Yes, that's right. Straw Man Mar 2012 #159

Nobody is denying that access to firearms plays a role in this sort of thing krispos42 Mar 2012 #142

"it has a measurable effect" ellisonz Mar 2012 #143

I don't think I've spent a lot of time advocating against safe storage. krispos42 Mar 2012 #145

Awareness and prosecution... ellisonz Mar 2012 #146

Required to buy a safe each time you buy a gun? krispos42 Mar 2012 #147

My point exactly... ellisonz Mar 2012 #148

No, THAT'S not an unreasonable regulation krispos42 Mar 2012 #150

The laws are basically that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #153

Right. krispos42 Mar 2012 #156

Enforcement mechanism? Clames Mar 2012 #158

you missed his point gejohnston Mar 2012 #151

a safe for each gun gejohnston Mar 2012 #149

Already purchased... ellisonz Mar 2012 #152