Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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103. because it is never defined

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 03:13 PM

Mar 2012

gun control advocates whine for "reasonable and sane" with out knowing what the current laws are or defining what they think is reasonable. Some here define DC's Kafkaesque registration maze as "reasonable", any sane person does not. Some here think NYC's class based may issue is "reasonable", no real 99 percenter should. Some here think DC's deputy mayor's irrational "sucks to be you if you are robbed and put in the hospital" as civilized. I fail to see how any rational and thoughtful person would.

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School Kids Dying in Ohio: It's a Gun Problem [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

Right. elleng Mar 2012 #1

You're welcome. ellisonz Mar 2012 #2

B.S. Teenagers set kid on fire with gasoline. RegieRocker Mar 2012 #3

no way pip...it's those evil guns. ileus Mar 2012 #5

One shouldn't cast asparagus... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

Well it wasn't rare for the parents of the kid who got burned. You know the logical next step. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #68

Crass and pathetic counter-argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #70

You're the master of hyperbole, my friend. LAGC Mar 2012 #71

I'd rather be hyperbolic for less bloodshed... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72

That's just fucking brilliant! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #14

What is not brilliant is the fact you do not realize murders have been RegieRocker Mar 2012 #69

One wonders how you did miss the much higher rate of death associated with Automobiles, versus guns AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #160

gunz kill people. ileus Mar 2012 #4

like spoonz make people fat (nt) SATIRical Mar 2012 #51

The kid stole a firearm that was not properly secured. What is "properly secured"? oneshooter Mar 2012 #6

That's simple one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #7

+100 Well said. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #15

Well, that's a first. A +100 to sarcasm. shadowrider Mar 2012 #23

You and Brewster may intend it as sarcastic, but he's right on the money. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #33

So let me understand your rules shadowrider Mar 2012 #36

Those might be your rules, not mine. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48

Really? SATIRical Mar 2012 #54

I don't mean to be rude Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #95

News flash guns are designed to save. ileus Mar 2012 #82

So, if your boat gets stolen (failure to secure your property) and then oneshooter Mar 2012 #84

Sorry, but my boat was not designed to be a weapon Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #96

So if they're not designed as weapons, they don't kill anyone? shadowrider Mar 2012 #98

Nobody can be that thick. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #114

You are ignoring the fact that it can be made into one. And that by not securing it properly oneshooter Mar 2012 #111

I am responsible for my boat being secure Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #117

Oh? one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #122

Could you please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #135

They don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #136

How is that relevant to this discussion? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #140

Tremendous comfort ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #123

Why don't you ask them? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #128

Well, that would be horribly insensitive, don't you think? Straw Man Mar 2012 #130

Not designed to kill? Really? Nobody is that naive. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #134

Designed to kill? Really, nobody is that clueless. Straw Man Mar 2012 #137

so in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #26

If one chooses to own dangerous items, yes! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #30

we are talking a victim of theft gejohnston Mar 2012 #34

Oh, come on GE. You're one of the smarter members of this group. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #49

sorry gejohnston Mar 2012 #53

You just made the case for abstinance SATIRical Mar 2012 #55

What on earth are you talking about? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59

How typical... Clames Mar 2012 #73

And if he did... ellisonz Mar 2012 #74

It would be a sight more conducive to the discussion... Clames Mar 2012 #76

"Your side just can't get away from blaming inanimate objects. That is a problem in and of itself." ellisonz Mar 2012 #77

Really? Clames Mar 2012 #87

lol ellisonz Mar 2012 #89

Weak... Clames Mar 2012 #115

And there we have it. Straw Man Mar 2012 #124

Some may. I don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #127

So are you disavowing your "ultimate precaution" pronouncement? Straw Man Mar 2012 #132

You could call it dancing. Not a bad word. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #133

No, it's a good word. Straw Man Mar 2012 #138

What about a gun stolen from a Police Station? By your "logic" the cops shouldn't own guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #141

You obviously don't know me. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #154

Mea culpa...I don't think I've ever known anyone who thinks American cops shouldn't have guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #157

Which is why you are blaming the gun owner SATIRical Mar 2012 #56

Blaming one does not absolve the other Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #57

Then you also need to blame SATIRical Mar 2012 #60

You are being ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #62

Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #63

No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #65

Oh. So the kid could have fired the gun SATIRical Mar 2012 #66

If the bullets were sold to the kid, then yes, Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79

if the ammo was sold to the kid gejohnston Mar 2012 #86

Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #88

Don't be ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #93

if you think the uncle should be gejohnston Mar 2012 #64

Wrong ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #8

I guess posting info from the Brady Campaign, a right-wing Republican shadowrider Mar 2012 #9

Brady Campaign = right-wing Republican? ellisonz Mar 2012 #12

So if you can post from Republican sites, so can everyone else, right? shadowrider Mar 2012 #25

Your characterization of the Brady Campaign as Republican is spurrious. ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

The Brady Campaign is non-partisan? ROFL shadowrider Mar 2012 #32

Yeah pretty much... ellisonz Mar 2012 #39

Sure, as long as one of your anti-gun cohorts does it first shadowrider Mar 2012 #40

Shhblaaammm ellisonz Mar 2012 #42

Objectively? gejohnston Mar 2012 #37

last time I checked gejohnston Mar 2012 #31

So, what is a man's excuse? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #16

It's mainly a mental health problem slackmaster Mar 2012 #10

NO. It is a VIOLENCE PROBLEM. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #11

Brilliant. "the kind of firearm this kid used is about as "benign" a firearm as exists" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #20

Sometimes all you can do with... ellisonz Mar 2012 #24

Every firearm is a deadly weapon. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #50

"Every firearm is a deadly weapon." Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #52

Like I said, there is a reason why I put "benign" in quotes. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58

As I have stated many times Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #61

"I am not advocating any gun control." Horseshit. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #75

What does your quote have to do with gun control? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #78

When the same proposals are made in legislatures, they are acknowledged by all... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #80

You confuse self control with gun control Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #97

You can't necessarily report something stolen or missing shadowrider Mar 2012 #100

More fool you for having so many guns and not protecting them Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #104

Sure, I'd give my guns to a "surrogate owner" shadowrider Mar 2012 #106

No, you wouldn't be responsible Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #108

Hang on, that's not what you said earlier shadowrider Mar 2012 #110

Allow me to explain Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #113

I'm thoroughly confused shadowrider Mar 2012 #116

More confused than I thought. Let's try one more time. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #118

Quit being condescending shadowrider Mar 2012 #120

Where and when did I suggest giving them to a friend? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #121

Here shadowrider Mar 2012 #125

Your word , not mine. I would never give a gun to a friend. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #126

You didn't say "Professional Service", you said surrogate shadowrider Mar 2012 #155

for one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #102

Good point, but I stand by it. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #119

"Responsibility and accountability" is the new "reasonable and common-sense" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #81

How surprising that a proponent of handgun proliferation Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #99

because it is never defined gejohnston Mar 2012 #103

It's never defined shadowrider Mar 2012 #107

You are walking and talking like a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #85

A very sane duck, I might add. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #91

Mental state notwithstanding, still a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #105

I like ducks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #109

I like to eat them. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #112

You enjoy shooting shadowrider Mar 2012 #90

No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #92

Own any rifles or shotguns? shadowrider Mar 2012 #94

Not at present. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #101

So, let me get this straight. montanto Mar 2012 #17

That's not what he argued. ellisonz Mar 2012 #18

correlation is not causation. I rest my case. montanto Mar 2012 #19

Without getting into the nitty gritty... ellisonz Mar 2012 #21

even if he didn't steal it gejohnston Mar 2012 #22

Hypothetical. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #27

count on it gejohnston Mar 2012 #35

C'mon man. Drug dealers know guns are agin the law shadowrider Mar 2012 #28

I'll grant you that most would say the correlation is significant. montanto Mar 2012 #38

It's really not that complex... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41

Mea culpa. montanto Mar 2012 #44

Agreed. ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

We agree, then, that proaction is solution oriented, and montanto Mar 2012 #46

No one takes action without belief... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47

It's the brady bunch, who gives a rats ass what he thinks. rl6214 Mar 2012 #43

Why blame an inanimate object? Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #67

No no...it's a gun, ask any Anti they'll tell you guns kill people...designed to kill no less. ileus Mar 2012 #83

So once again... it's okay if teenagers are troubled, bullied, teased, and become violent. krispos42 Mar 2012 #129

Not at all... ellisonz Mar 2012 #131

Nobody is saying that it "plays no role." Straw Man Mar 2012 #139

"that it's a supporting rather than a central role." ellisonz Mar 2012 #144

Yes, that's right. Straw Man Mar 2012 #159

Nobody is denying that access to firearms plays a role in this sort of thing krispos42 Mar 2012 #142

"it has a measurable effect" ellisonz Mar 2012 #143

I don't think I've spent a lot of time advocating against safe storage. krispos42 Mar 2012 #145

Awareness and prosecution... ellisonz Mar 2012 #146

Required to buy a safe each time you buy a gun? krispos42 Mar 2012 #147

My point exactly... ellisonz Mar 2012 #148

No, THAT'S not an unreasonable regulation krispos42 Mar 2012 #150

The laws are basically that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #153

Right. krispos42 Mar 2012 #156

Enforcement mechanism? Clames Mar 2012 #158

you missed his point gejohnston Mar 2012 #151

a safe for each gun gejohnston Mar 2012 #149

Already purchased... ellisonz Mar 2012 #152