Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

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25. I think we already tolerate it as party to the NPT.

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 04:38 PM

Mar 2012

"You don't believe people should have the right to defend themselves as they see fit, and you don't believe nations should, either."

And mustard gas for the Kurds, and nerve agents for the Taliban, and bio-weapons for the Chechens...

Here's the thing: as soon as you start supposing that there is no thing such as international law to govern such matters, you might as well give nuclear weapons to everyone. It seems the law you believe in is survival of the fittest, and to that, I must say, really?

Your argument for more guns everywhere immediately falls flat when put into the international context because it is absurd on the face of it.

I'm saying that every nation has the right of self-determination. That includes military endeavors for preservation of the state as they see fit.

So you thought our invasion of Iraq in 2003 was fine and dandy?

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The Gun Is Civilization [View all] DWC Mar 2012 OP

Or, to put it another way: Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #1

"With guns we are citizens. Without them we are subjects" shadowrider Mar 2012 #2

I see you've changed your sig line iverglas Mar 2012 #36

Your insinuation is insulting and I can change my sig line again. shadowrider Mar 2012 #37

gosh, you'd almost think I wasn't referring to your previous sig line iverglas Mar 2012 #40

you don't seem to have answered my question iverglas Mar 2012 #41

Back off shadowrider Mar 2012 #44

no iverglas Mar 2012 #47

D. Michael Wiechman, May 14, 1996 n/t DWC Mar 2012 #88

snork iverglas Mar 2012 #89

Hah. Notice how our gun nuttiness has kept us from becoming subjects over the last 20 years? Doctor_J Mar 2012 #98

Over the last 20 years hundreds of thousands of "gunsters" DWC Mar 2012 #99

It's the rarely seen cousin to the 'your handgun won't do shit against petronius Mar 2012 #100

Which is excellent Doctor_J Mar 2012 #102

So by this logic we should allow Iran a nuclear weapon? JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #3

Iran should be allowed to do whatever its people want to do. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #4

I absolutely agree with you there. n/t JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #5

Yes! ellisonz Mar 2012 #11

I wish there were no nuclear weapons. But it is immoral to say "some for me, none for thee." Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #12

So we should have given Gaddafi a nuke? ellisonz Mar 2012 #15

I did not advocate GIVING nuclear weapons to anyone. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #16

lol - you might as well give'em to them Cowboy... ellisonz Mar 2012 #19

The answer is not more American imperialism. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #21

And bombs for the Tamil Liberation Tigers... ellisonz Mar 2012 #22

Again, I am not pro-proliferation. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #24

I think we already tolerate it as party to the NPT. ellisonz Mar 2012 #25

Are you even reading my posts? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #27

I'm quoting your post. Why would you think I'm not reading them? ellisonz Mar 2012 #30

You aren't quoting the relevant parts. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #35

"You aren't quoting the relevant parts." - Oh I'm sorry... ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

Selling is not the same thing as developing. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58

Why read... Clames Mar 2012 #31

got something to back that up? iverglas Mar 2012 #50

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #52

there's one tiny distinction iverglas Mar 2012 #29

I have no idea why I am seeing this Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #33

poor you iverglas Mar 2012 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

I care. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #59

Would it be logical to allow violent criminals to own firearms? spin Mar 2012 #13

And thus we reveal the reductio ad absurdum of the OP JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #17

+1000 ellisonz Mar 2012 #23

There is little that I can do to stop our nation from sending weapons... spin Mar 2012 #28

Can't refute the OP so try to change the subject. DWC Mar 2012 #20

I didn't change the subject JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #26

Actually, you did DWC Mar 2012 #32

OK, I see where we are at JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #38

here's where you're really at iverglas Mar 2012 #43

Duly noted JackintheGreen Mar 2012 #48

oh, you can still play! iverglas Mar 2012 #49

Pot/Kettle rl6214 Mar 2012 #60

"By SOP, this group is restricted to guns and gun law in the USA." ellisonz Mar 2012 #81

You are correct. My apologies. n/t DWC Mar 2012 #86

Sounds like it was written COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #6

Ah, insinuation and slurs. PavePusher Mar 2012 #8

Insinuation and slurs are what they use shadowrider Mar 2012 #9

No insinuation, and no slur COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #18

Agreed. ellisonz Mar 2012 #10

Historically, that is the way it's been done, unless people resist... Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #14

Thanks for the Heston quote. 2 thumbs up!!! DWC Mar 2012 #92

This article comes from a web site that has a enormous amount ... spin Mar 2012 #7

yes, you touted it here some years ago iverglas Mar 2012 #46

As I pointed out then ... spin Mar 2012 #51

the website is a commercial site iverglas Mar 2012 #53

Car and Driver is a publication and web site spin Mar 2012 #61

I believe you have made my point iverglas Mar 2012 #65

However I see little wrong with a web site or magazine ... spin Mar 2012 #66

and now you are avoiding the point iverglas Mar 2012 #68

Is there anything ethically wrong with running a website ... spin Mar 2012 #71

what are you on about? iverglas Mar 2012 #74

I refuse to go down the rabbit hole with you ... spin Mar 2012 #78

If you don't like it, then use your Admin powers to remove it. oneshooter Mar 2012 #79

thanks all the same iverglas Mar 2012 #80

it's that cornered kitty again! iverglas Mar 2012 #34

more about our source iverglas Mar 2012 #39

I found the supposed content source: ellisonz Mar 2012 #54

oh duh -- shadowrider's quote, right there iverglas Mar 2012 #56

Fuck Ron Paul ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

heh heh iverglas Mar 2012 #75

It'd be kinda interesting to keep a catalog of all the right-wing sources... DanTex Mar 2012 #63

as compared to their catalogue of progressive sources ;) iverglas Mar 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #101

Excellent find my brother...thanks for sharing. +1 ileus Mar 2012 #62

"find"? you had lost it??? iverglas Mar 2012 #69

I am tired of labels like pro gunner and antis era veteran Mar 2012 #64

It does often seem that those Democrats here who oppose firearm ownership... spin Mar 2012 #67

what Democrats oppose firearm ownership? iverglas Mar 2012 #70

The Right has its extreme anti-abortionists. The Left has DWC Mar 2012 #72

Good point. (n/t) spin Mar 2012 #73

if you don't get nauseous when you find bilge like that in your mouth iverglas Mar 2012 #76

"Both groups are anti-killing." ellisonz Mar 2012 #82

I absolutely denounce that view and, DWC Mar 2012 #84

fucking disgusting iverglas Mar 2012 #85

How ever you cut it, DEAD is DEAD. n/t DWC Mar 2012 #87

There are, of course, lunatics--some of whom probably consider themselves Democrats-- TPaine7 Mar 2012 #91

e - qui - vo - ca - a - shun ... iverglas Mar 2012 #93

Wait a minute! That fourth picture down: petronius Mar 2012 #94

oh nose iverglas Mar 2012 #96

Indeed, though I think "BULL - SHIT" is an even better description for your sophistry. TPaine7 Mar 2012 #95

Very well stated. Thanks !! n/t DWC Mar 2012 #97

Excellent observation...well stated. ileus Mar 2012 #90

interesting philosophy. thanks for the link. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #83