Gun Control & RKBA

SteveW

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40. Have you been in this forum when "universal" b.g. checks was debated?

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 02:35 PM

Dec 2011

This was covered thoroughly over a period of some days. The proposal was to extend the NICS test (now applied only to FFL dealers) to every firearm transaction -- even among individuals. Many problems were identified, and solutions proffered. Funny thing, very few gun-controllers took part in the discussion. Was the Brady proposal a failure, and gun-controllers knew it? Or did gun-control advocates merely want to up the ante, and forget about "improving" NICS, even if it were made universal?

I don't know what you mean by NRA insanity; I don't keep up with all they do. What are they proposing?

Be aware that the mentally ill have had many constitutional rights re-enforced over the law 40-50 years; among them is strengthening due-process (5th Amendment) which calls for adjudicated findings of mental incompetence for any number of actions denying rights or privileges. A "police psychology screening" (why it should be police escapes me) does not constitute due-process. As for black markets, this is ALWAYS the result of prohibitionist schemes and policies. Squeeze all you want, illegal transfers should result in arrest and prosecution.

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Fatal Cop Shooting Suspect Killed In Standoff [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

So, what is your commentary/proposals? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #1

You can go check back on the other thread... ellisonz Dec 2011 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Dec 2011 #3

This is a very tacky post, ellisonz, I encourage you to remove it petronius Dec 2011 #4

Well I respect you...but... ellisonz Dec 2011 #7

I wasn't referring to the OP, I was referring to the "crickets" post petronius Dec 2011 #11

Done. ellisonz Dec 2011 #12

Thank you! (nt) petronius Dec 2011 #15

How about more and better criminal control? one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #16

You couldn't be more wrong. ellisonz Dec 2011 #17

You don't get it one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #19

Hey...don't look at me...I'm not the one encouraging doing away with a failed system. ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

What you've overlooked in your moral entrepeneurship is the system hasn't failed. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #21

Because of gun control... ellisonz Dec 2011 #22

But gun laws are far less restrictive than they were forty years ago- and there are far more guns... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #25

So you're for gun control... ellisonz Dec 2011 #29

You are purposely being obtuse. PavePusher Dec 2011 #31

I've refuted the basis of most of your studies which are narrowly constructed... ellisonz Dec 2011 #41

Learned nothing from the Eighteenth Amendment? one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #34

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #43

more than you gejohnston Dec 2011 #44

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #45

Utah's murder rate gejohnston Dec 2011 #46

Have another. ellisonz Dec 2011 #47

No, don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs. one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #52

Oh please... ellisonz Dec 2011 #53

Where do you see anger in that post? N/T beevul Dec 2011 #57

Here, try this out one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #26

That's a ludicrous example... ellisonz Dec 2011 #27

Hardly- the NICS is run by the FBI, who also run the national crime databases. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #30

Have you been in this forum when "universal" b.g. checks was debated? SteveW Dec 2011 #40

"more better laws" don't seem to have worked. Your proposals? SteveW Dec 2011 #39

How so? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #35

you referred to 'the defense of unlimited gun rights go unchallenged on this board' aikoaiko Dec 2011 #37

Many errors and false assumptions on your part... SteveW Dec 2011 #38

Do you read your own posts? beevul Dec 2011 #50

How about tired? ellisonz Dec 2011 #51

You aren't the only one. beevul Dec 2011 #54

So we should have no debate and all agree on a highly painful issue? ellisonz Dec 2011 #55

I don't recall anyone saying that. beevul Dec 2011 #56

Interestingly enough, those crickets include you, ellisonz ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #6

If I didn't care I wouldn't have posted, no? ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

And your point? rl6214 Dec 2011 #5

What's your point? ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

You are just the latest in a long line of gun control zealots that posts rl6214 Dec 2011 #10

Ha... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

Well, I think you're trying (and failing) to gin up a moral panic friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #18

I've actually read that Becker work. ellisonz Dec 2011 #23

No, but all these accounts of satanic ritual abu..., err gun crimes friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #24

If only... ellisonz Dec 2011 #28

Gun laws are now laxer, there are fewer police on the streets and .. hack89 Dec 2011 #32

What color is the sky in your world? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #33

You really need to do some research. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #36

What personal attack? rl6214 Dec 2011 #48

The jury disagreed with you - your bit about "dancing" is a personal attack. ellisonz Dec 2011 #49

LEO's please don't ever let your guard down. ileus Dec 2011 #13

Shooting Leaves Local Police Searching For Answers ellisonz Dec 2011 #42