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Kaleva

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Sat Oct 7, 2017, 04:32 AM Oct 2017

A different way of defining what an assault weapon is [View all]

Last edited Tue Oct 10, 2017, 08:57 PM - Edit history (2)

Any semi-automatic weapon that fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim center-fire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a metal based case length of less then 50.8mm or caseless ammunition of any dimension or any rimless, semi-rimmed or rebated Polymer-cased center-fire cartridge of any dimension.

The appearance of the gun has nothing to do with the above definition. The gun could look like a hunting rifle or it could look like something out of a Hollywood war movie. The gun could have a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, flash suppressor, pistol grip or folding stock and it might not be an assault weapon as defined by above. Or it could. It all depends on the action of the gun and the cartridge it fires.

Such a definition keeps things simple. All one has to do is first determine if the gun is a semi-automatic, see if the cartridge it is loaded with is a center-fire round and then measure the cartridge. No fuss. No muss.

If one has an issue with including semi-automatic handguns in the above, then one could refine it further by saying an assault weapon is a semi-automatic firearm that has a barrel length of 16" or longer and fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim center-fire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a case length of less then 50.8mm.

A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine. By pulling the trigger and firing, the gun uses the energy of the fired cartridge to cycle the action of the firearm to eject the spent case and advance the next available cartridge into position which allows another shot to be fired when the trigger is pulled again.

A center-fire cartridge is a cartridge with a primer located in the center of the cartridge case head.

"The rimmed cartridge is the oldest of the types and has a rim that is significantly larger in diameter than the base of the cartridge. "

"On a rimless case, the rim is the same diameter as the base of the case; it is known as an extractor groove."

"On a semi-rimmed case the rim projects slightly beyond the base of the case, though not as much as a rimmed cartridge."

"Rebated rim cartridges have a rim that is significantly smaller in diameter than the base of the case, serving only for extraction."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_%28firearms%29

Rimmed cartridges do not have an extractor groove.

According to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), a cartridge is "a single round of ammunition consisting of the case, primer and propellant with or without one or more projectiles." Only the projectile portion is the bullet.

The case length of a 7.62x39mm cartridge is about 38.7mm




Polymer-cased ammunition (or PCA) is the concept applied to define the alternative to use polymer-based casings instead of metal-based (brass, aluminum or steel mainly) in the manufacturing of ammunition.

Caseless ammunition is a type of small arms ammunition that eliminates the cartridge case that typically holds the primer, propellant, and projectile together as a unit.


Steps to determine if a firearm is an assault weapon

1. If the firearm is a semi-automatic, proceed to step 2.

2. If the barrel of the firearm is 16" or longer, proceed to step 3.

3. Examine the ammunition the firearm is designed to fire or is currently loaded with or has been modified to fire. Proceed to step 4 if any of the following conditions are met:

a. The ammunition is a center fire rimless, semi-rimmed or rebated rim cartridge with a bullet diameter of less then 6.5mm

or

b. The center fire cartridge case is less then then 50.8mm long

or

c. the ammunition is a caseless cartridge of any dimension

or

d. the cartridge is a Polymer-cased ammunition of any dimension

4. The gun in question is an assault weapon.

Note: I first posted this back in 2012

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any loaded gun aimed at another human being is an assault weapon nt msongs Oct 2017 #1
Correct. Straw Man Oct 2017 #5
You win the internet Alea Oct 2017 #6
Thank you. Straw Man Oct 2017 #7
This could be any of my counter assault weapons. ileus Oct 2017 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #3
Simpler: Any semiauto centerfire rifle or brace-equipped-pistol capable of accepting detachable mags JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #4
Does this mean AR and AK pistols without braces would not be AWs? aikoaiko Oct 2017 #8
I suppose. Can't win 'em all. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #9
What about... Always Right Oct 2017 #11
Same way Machine Guns can be Short barreled rifles without dual registration. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #12
So a SBR can have a bump stock? Always Right Oct 2017 #14
LOL, I don't think bump stocks are going to be around much longer. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #15
Over inclusive and under inclusive at the same time Always Right Oct 2017 #20
My definition (or post content) suggests banning nothing. It's just a definition. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #21
The NFA registry has its own issues Always Right Oct 2017 #22
New NFA process is just fine. People are just impatient. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #23
Eforms never worked right Always Right Oct 2017 #24
Simplicity is good, but... Adrahil Nov 2017 #45
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #47
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #48
Your definition of AW is too broad and at the same time over inclusive Always Right Oct 2017 #10
There's no point in reinventing the wheel in an effort to get around this Kaleva Oct 2017 #13
Pressure, in answer to your statement: yagotme Oct 2017 #16
Thanks for the info! Kaleva Oct 2017 #17
Welcome! n/t yagotme Oct 2017 #29
I would like to read your thoughts on how to avoid being an AW. Kaleva Oct 2017 #18
Not sure anyone can define semi-auto AW Always Right Oct 2017 #19
That maxim 50 is dumb as hell JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #25
You said in an earlier post that it was easy to get around what I proposed Kaleva Oct 2017 #26
I have a few basic questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #27
Some answers Kaleva Oct 2017 #28
And replies discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #30
Most every term in relation to guns is well understood except for assault weapons Kaleva Oct 2017 #31
Have you considered why that term is misunderstood and ill-defined? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #33
Semi-automatics have been around for decades. Kaleva Oct 2017 #34
Can you conceive of the color red? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #35
Your arguing in circles isn't going to be effective on me. Kaleva Oct 2017 #36
re: "Wouldn't it make sense to adapt a definition that addresses your main complaint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #37
The term assault weapon is going to stay around. It's not going away. Kaleva Oct 2017 #38
I can really appreciate having a well defined term discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #39
My proposed definition isn't going to be adopted by anyone Kaleva Oct 2017 #40
For some, it would be any weapon not The Mouth Oct 2017 #32
What is the point of another artificial definition? ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #41
The term "assault weapon" is in very common use. Kaleva Nov 2017 #42
And whatever made-up definition used back then ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #46
Any semi-automatic firearm with a removable magazine. Simple, short, easy. flamin lib Nov 2017 #43
"Simple, short, easy." And impossible. But by all means try for your 'Prohibition 3.0' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #44
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