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Always Right

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19. Not sure anyone can define semi-auto AW
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 12:58 PM
Oct 2017

First, I'd define what an assault rifle is as a selective-fire rifle (meaning machine gun) that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. As I would include full auto "pistols" in the above definition if they use an intermediate cartridge but do not meet the legal definition of rifle as they would still be lumped in the category of machine guns, regardless of length.

As for assault weapon, that would be any kind of weapon you could assault someone with.

What you are really asking for is how I would define the category of semi-auto weapons typically considered most dangerous. Unfortunately I don't think that is possible as no matter where I draw the line on dimensions, capacity or any other factor, it could still be avoided by a slight change.

For example, you talked about having a fixed magazine, we that didn't work in California as it was easily worked around by the Bullet Button. Change the law to outlaw the Bullet Button, the next day the Bullet Button Reloaded was available.

Even if you made it so the magazine didn't come out, you would still need an arbitrary magazine limit or you would get something like this...

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That is a helical rotary magazine that holds 100 rounds.

Look at New York. There they passed an AW ban but since that is just a made up media term and can't really be defined, it didn't take long for New York AW ban compliant guns to make it back into the market (though they look a bit weird).

While I don't like to give my personal opinion, I think the bottom line is either you ban everything or nothing as everything else is just useless regulation and a waste of time that only causes more gun sales and more gun profits as people buy up stuff before it is banned then buy the new stuff to get around the ban.

Want to have a heart attack? Check out this link.

[link:http://www.store.silencerco.com/products/maxim-50|]

That is a 50 caliber rifle with built in silencer but guess what, it is available by mail with no paperwork and no background check. (Note: buying a gun over the internet still requires it be sent to a local dealer who then does the paperwork and background check)

How is it possible the gun linked above is totally unrestricted? Well for starters, it isn't a gun. Under the law, guns are only modern weapons and that gun is a muzzle loader and counts as an antique. Also, the silencer isn't legally a silencer either as silencers can be mounted on guns while a silencer mounted on anything else is just a muffler, like on your car. As that muzzle loader isn't a gun and the silencer can't be removed as it is welded on, then it isn't a silencer. Since it isn't a gun or a silencer, then it is legal to sell like a hammer or any other tool.

Trying to define AW is like squeezing a balloon. You won't make the balloon smaller, it just puffs out where you aren't pressing.


any loaded gun aimed at another human being is an assault weapon nt msongs Oct 2017 #1
Correct. Straw Man Oct 2017 #5
You win the internet Alea Oct 2017 #6
Thank you. Straw Man Oct 2017 #7
This could be any of my counter assault weapons. ileus Oct 2017 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #3
Simpler: Any semiauto centerfire rifle or brace-equipped-pistol capable of accepting detachable mags JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #4
Does this mean AR and AK pistols without braces would not be AWs? aikoaiko Oct 2017 #8
I suppose. Can't win 'em all. nt JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #9
What about... Always Right Oct 2017 #11
Same way Machine Guns can be Short barreled rifles without dual registration. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #12
So a SBR can have a bump stock? Always Right Oct 2017 #14
LOL, I don't think bump stocks are going to be around much longer. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #15
Over inclusive and under inclusive at the same time Always Right Oct 2017 #20
My definition (or post content) suggests banning nothing. It's just a definition. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #21
The NFA registry has its own issues Always Right Oct 2017 #22
New NFA process is just fine. People are just impatient. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #23
Eforms never worked right Always Right Oct 2017 #24
Simplicity is good, but... Adrahil Nov 2017 #45
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #47
Maybe not so simple. oneshooter Nov 2017 #48
Your definition of AW is too broad and at the same time over inclusive Always Right Oct 2017 #10
There's no point in reinventing the wheel in an effort to get around this Kaleva Oct 2017 #13
Pressure, in answer to your statement: yagotme Oct 2017 #16
Thanks for the info! Kaleva Oct 2017 #17
Welcome! n/t yagotme Oct 2017 #29
I would like to read your thoughts on how to avoid being an AW. Kaleva Oct 2017 #18
Not sure anyone can define semi-auto AW Always Right Oct 2017 #19
That maxim 50 is dumb as hell JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #25
You said in an earlier post that it was easy to get around what I proposed Kaleva Oct 2017 #26
I have a few basic questions discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #27
Some answers Kaleva Oct 2017 #28
And replies discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #30
Most every term in relation to guns is well understood except for assault weapons Kaleva Oct 2017 #31
Have you considered why that term is misunderstood and ill-defined? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #33
Semi-automatics have been around for decades. Kaleva Oct 2017 #34
Can you conceive of the color red? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #35
Your arguing in circles isn't going to be effective on me. Kaleva Oct 2017 #36
re: "Wouldn't it make sense to adapt a definition that addresses your main complaint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #37
The term assault weapon is going to stay around. It's not going away. Kaleva Oct 2017 #38
I can really appreciate having a well defined term discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #39
My proposed definition isn't going to be adopted by anyone Kaleva Oct 2017 #40
For some, it would be any weapon not The Mouth Oct 2017 #32
What is the point of another artificial definition? ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #41
The term "assault weapon" is in very common use. Kaleva Nov 2017 #42
And whatever made-up definition used back then ManiacJoe Nov 2017 #46
Any semi-automatic firearm with a removable magazine. Simple, short, easy. flamin lib Nov 2017 #43
"Simple, short, easy." And impossible. But by all means try for your 'Prohibition 3.0' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #44
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