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In reply to the discussion: The RKBA v Tyranny [View all]

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
20. I'm sure you think you make sense.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:53 AM
Feb 2018
The American Civil War is an not an example of a struggle against tyranny. Your mindset is too American to see the real point. The point of the Civil War is that civilians on both sides were sufficiently armed in order that neither the existing federal government was able to simply dominate the states in rebellion nor was the government set up by the rebellious states able to dominate the Northern Union. The result was the war not a state of tyranny.


The South sure as hell described the North as tyrannical. In fact Southern apologists still call it that today.
https://nonrevisionistcivilwarfacts.wordpress.com/lincoln-s-tyranny/

If my mind set is too American does that mean that your's is not? I've studied the Civil War since I was a child in the sixties. My reading has included works by non-Americans as well the usual American authors.
Which brings us to the point that Northern soldiers were never armed with their own firearms. With the exception that many soldiers bought side arms, many of which littered the line of march, and some commanding officers buying arms for their troops.
The issue of private ownership of firearms was never an issue in the North. As to the South, well at the start of the war most soldiers were armed from Union stores in the rebellious states. There were Southerners that carried personal firearms as a matter of necessity but most were armed by the Southern government. The war lasted less that four years and in the end the North did indeed dominate the South.

Yes the various European governments in the Americas were tyrannous to indigenous people. From Columbus on down to Trump that has been the case.
Now I'd like to remind you that various native groups were armed by Europeans in order to fight other Europeans. When they weren't being armed by governments they were being armed by private companies such as the Hudson Bay Company.
https://books.google.com/books?id=BJRJZZIxrmkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=french+arming+indians&source=bl&ots=XvfMs3t_hP&sig=ws2VntvPibHTa8LRWJJa4ZnksOE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivn46_wobZAhVHImMKHcT6CgUQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=french%20arming%20indians&f=false

Yet even were they were well armed, they never stopped tyranny.


The carpetbaggers and radical reconstruction folk were just older example of our orange plague in chief.


Sorry but no. The depredations of Northerners in the post war South were mostly an invention of Southern apologists. In short a fiction to excuse the depredations night riders and other reactionaries. It was the Southerners that are the true ancestors of Trump and his alt-right fanboys.

So just as a reminder you haven't given an example of private ownership of firearms stopping tyranny.
The RKBA v Tyranny [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 OP
So, if Mueller gets fired, you got plans? Girard442 Jan 2018 #1
Plans? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #2
What are *your* plans in such a case? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #3
Yeah, one helluva job RKBA is doing, combatting the onset of tyranny in the U.S. Paladin Jan 2018 #4
It sounds as if you're saying that pro-RKBA democrats voted for trump discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #5
I stand by my comments. Nothing I can do about your interpretation of them. (nt) Paladin Jan 2018 #6
Everyone has an absolute right to an opinion and to express it discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #7
Best wishes for your weekend as well. (nt) Paladin Jan 2018 #8
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #9
Were I you, I wouldn't elaborate on my comments either, as they raise some inconvenient questions friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #11
The US doesn't *quite* have a totally degenerate government (for now, anyway), so... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #10
I live in New Jersey discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #12
They will be after your shoestrings, next... yagotme Jan 2018 #13
If only there was a rich high status individual... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #14
Yep, if a state/local gov't wants to rake in some cash, yagotme Jan 2018 #15
Good post. One of the best in this thread. Alea Feb 2018 #36
I have never heard a convincing argument for the ops point. Buzz cook Jan 2018 #16
Partly because, gejohnston Jan 2018 #17
Sorry but that's revisionist history. Buzz cook Feb 2018 #19
no it isn't gejohnston Feb 2018 #21
There was a positive claim made. Buzz cook Feb 2018 #24
I believe the claim is that gejohnston Feb 2018 #28
There is no negative to prove Buzz cook Feb 2018 #29
re: "...it shows that they lack the ability to engage in the ideas, or doubt the strength..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #35
re: "I have never heard a convincing argument for the ops point." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #18
I'm sure you think you make sense. Buzz cook Feb 2018 #20
Privately-owned firearms damn sure aren't stopping tyranny, right now. Paladin Feb 2018 #22
No you're exactly right. Buzz cook Feb 2018 #26
I always try to make sense and I sometimes succeed discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #23
False Dichotomy. Buzz cook Feb 2018 #25
And where did I say that arms were the only requirement in revolution? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #27
Quote"I have stated in the past that the individual RKBA is a safeguard against tyranny."unquote Buzz cook Feb 2018 #30
re: "Have fun at work." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #31
churchill's remarks suitable for britons, but not others jimmy the one Feb 2018 #32
Moving the discussion from the U.S. Civil War to WWII? Paladin Feb 2018 #33
okay yeah discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #34
rambling wreck jimmy the one Feb 2018 #37
re: "rambling wreck" agreed, you are discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #38
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