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krispos42

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15. Carrying for self-defense generally means being able to draw and shoot quickly.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Apr 2018

Because you can't guarantee you'll have time to get your gun ready and you can't guarantee you'll have both hands free and you can't guarantee that the explosion of adrenaline in your system won't mess up your fine motor skills and clarity of thought.

The KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid!

Your average concealed-carrying person will do so in the same fashion as other people that carry guns for self-defense: loaded and ready while being safe from negligent discharges.

Here's a broad overview of handguns and how they operate.

One of the most widespread of the former is the many variations on the Colt 1911 pattern. This is a semi-automatic pistol with a "single action" operating system; the trigger can only release a cocked hammer to fire the gun. The trigger cannot cock the gun if the hammer is down. As such, this type is commonly carried "cocked and locked"; an ergonomically-correct safety is mounted on the side of the pistol and is switched to "on" after the gun's magazine is inserted and the slide is cycled by hand. Moving the slide cocks the hammer and loaded a round in the barrel. With the safety on, the firing mechanism is frozen. When the gun is drawn, as part of the drawing process the thumb is used to disable the safety. Note: nearly all 1911 pistols also have a "grip safety", a spring-loaded bar that protrudes from the rear of the grip. When not depressed, the grip safety also disables the firing mechanism. The grip safety is naturally disabled by gripping the pistol, while the manual safety requires a deliberate action to disable. Other companies make single-action semiautomatics that work in a similar fashion.

Many semi-automatic pistols are "traditional double action" guns. They are like single-action guns except that the trigger has the ability to draw back an uncocked hammer if needed. The first shot of this type of gun can be either from the uncocked position (with a long, heavy trigger pull) or the user can manually cock the hammer (short, light trigger pull). After the first shot, the gun re-loads and re-cocks itself like a single-action pistol. Note that there are some models that can be carried cocked-and-locked. Because the double-action trigger pull is much longer and heavier than a single-action trigger these guns may not have a manual safety (replaced by a decocking lever), or people carrying them may not use the manual safety if the gun is carried uncocked.

Some semi-automatic pistols are "double action only" guns. There is no provision for the hammer to be cocked so every shot is a longer, heavier pull than a single-action gun. These guns usually do not have a manual safety.

Many semi-automatic pistols are "striker-fired" pistols; the Glock is the most common example of this. When the user inserts a magazine and cycles the slide, a round is loaded into the barrel and the firing system is partially cocked. There usually is no external hammer or safety to manipulate; instead there is a safety lever built into the face of the trigger. The firing mechanism has a block to keep the striker from setting off a cartridge, and only moving the trigger can move the block. The safety lever on the trigger prevents the trigger (and thus the striker block) from moving. The act of putting your finger on the trigger deactivates the safety, and pulling the trigger finishes cocking the striker, moves the striker block, then releases the striker to fire a round. Taking your hand off the trigger activates the safety. Some striker-fired pistols also have a grip safety; I have one like that. These guns usually do not have a manual safety.

Single-action revolvers are what you commonly see in cowboy movies; you have to cock it each time you fire, and because they are not semi-automatic the user must manually cock it before each shot. Because single-action revolvers were phased out for concealed-carry and duty carry by the double-action revolver (and later the semi-automatic pistol) those that are sold tend to be full-sized and chambered for powerful cartridges. If you're carrying one of these, then either it's a modern version with modern safety features and you're carrying hammer-down on a full cylinder, or you're carrying a faithful replica of an original, which means you're carrying hammer-down on an empty chamber in the cylinder. These do not have manual safeties.

Double-action revolvers have the ability to cock the hammer with a trigger pull. Most double-action revolvers have an external hammer so you can manually cock the gun if desired, and some are double-action-only, which can only be cocked by pulling the trigger. Both of these kinds are commonly carried for self-defense because they can be fired faster and require less manipulation of the gun. They can also be reloaded faster than single-action revolvers. These do not have manual safeties.

A question for this group-- [View all] digonswine Apr 2018 OP
And if you do carry "ready to go", as it were, why? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1
well it depends The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #2
Yeah -I know double-action digonswine Apr 2018 #3
even though i dont have guns , i was trained this way too. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #76
First, I understand busy, no need to reply at all to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #4
that's reasonable- digonswine Apr 2018 #5
Cool I just haven't seen you around in this group much discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #6
OK-maybe not control- digonswine Apr 2018 #11
I say control is myth because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #24
By "control"-I was referring to a person's feeling of being personally in control-- digonswine Apr 2018 #29
Like many Democrats, you are logical and respectful discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #33
I can't say I agree with your idea of personal freedom- digonswine May 2018 #56
re: trust and personal freedom discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #58
A few things- digonswine May 2018 #61
A few more things. Straw Man May 2018 #62
One at a time- digonswine May 2018 #66
I think responding to you is most likely a waste of time- digonswine May 2018 #82
If it's such a waste of time, ... Straw Man May 2018 #87
I missed that I responded previously-time went by and I am a busy feller- digonswine May 2018 #90
replies on select if not most points discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #63
I did not see this post- digonswine May 2018 #74
I know teachers take a lot of work home discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #75
I don't want you to get the idea that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #81
Hi-- digonswine May 2018 #83
Hi back at you discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #88
I did have a great holiday--thanks digonswine May 2018 #89
re: "School is a safe place..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #91
It's silly to take the founding fathers' ideas as perfect for today's problems- digonswine Jun 2018 #93
I promise to elaborate but also please check out #92 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #94
I think I covered most of your issues and questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #95
You have been reasonable in discussion, which I appreciate, of course-- digonswine Jun 2018 #96
re: I have had enough of it and am probably done discussing it(maybe). discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #97
Responses to a few discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #92
Why are there no warnings on guns that say you are more likely to be killed with a gun when you poss gejohnston May 2018 #64
Scientific American says different-- digonswine May 2018 #67
false delima gejohnston May 2018 #68
I can't agree- digonswine May 2018 #69
if it is locked to the outside, gejohnston May 2018 #70
I will reply in order of your responses- digonswine May 2018 #73
just a few things gejohnston May 2018 #78
There is no perfect response to a situation of an active shooter- digonswine May 2018 #79
If I might interject... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71
You might- digonswine May 2018 #72
Take a look at this, oneshooter May 2018 #77
Before I retired I lived in a fairly bad section in the Tampa Bay Area. ... spin Apr 2018 #26
Every gun model that's designed for duty use or concealed carry HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #7
It would seem to me that that is not terribly safe- digonswine Apr 2018 #9
If you are worried about a revolver discharging if dropped oneshooter Apr 2018 #17
I am not terribly worried about a dropped revolver-- digonswine May 2018 #85
I carry a gejohnston Apr 2018 #8
Please see my post (#9) digonswine Apr 2018 #10
About 8-10 pounds gejohnston Apr 2018 #14
The "New York trigger" for a Glock is 12lb. oneshooter Apr 2018 #18
Viral videos. Straw Man Apr 2018 #31
If I am carrying something sarisataka Apr 2018 #12
Well- digonswine Apr 2018 #13
I have not seen a lot sarisataka Apr 2018 #16
Hey, welcome to your own opinion! tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #23
2nd amendment mythology excerpt jimmy the one Apr 2018 #34
Speaking of mythology... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #36
Carrying for self-defense generally means being able to draw and shoot quickly. krispos42 Apr 2018 #15
So-- digonswine Apr 2018 #21
Responsible people keep guns in this state only when... krispos42 Apr 2018 #27
I still can't see- digonswine Apr 2018 #28
There's a big difference ... Straw Man Apr 2018 #30
The question would seem to be "safe from what?" krispos42 Apr 2018 #35
I think the main reason that safeties on handguns HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #19
I haven't carried in years, but when I did... aikoaiko Apr 2018 #20
I carry occasionally... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #22
(redirected) British 'have arms' decrees jimmy the one Apr 2018 #37
"...the right to "have arms" embodied in the English Declaration of Rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #40
Scalia cited Ben Oliver in heller jimmy the one Apr 2018 #41
And in that regard: discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #43
Earth to J1... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #42
jto checkmates the pretzel logic jimmy the one May 2018 #50
redirected #2, prevention not disarmament jimmy the one Apr 2018 #38
Disarmament tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #44
arms embargoes jimmy the one May 2018 #47
redirected #3, Fort Pownal, Maine jimmy the one Apr 2018 #39
WTF are you talking about? tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #45
Ports mouth, common harbor jimmy the one May 2018 #46
And again with the calumnies... tortoise1956 May 2018 #49
how to lodge a complaint jimmy the one May 2018 #59
more contradictions jimmy the one May 2018 #60
correction on fort pownal jimmy the one May 2018 #51
I legally carry a snub nosed revolver. ... spin Apr 2018 #25
dig on spot on jimmy the one Apr 2018 #32
Correlation. Straw Man May 2018 #48
That last paragraph looks like crap. krispos42 May 2018 #65
fair points jimmy the one May 2018 #80
Most semi auto Timewas May 2018 #52
Neither do many that OC discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #53
Glocks are safer than you say Alea May 2018 #54
Everyone Timewas May 2018 #55
Glocks just don't feel right in my hand. n/t oneshooter May 2018 #57
re you saying there should be limits regarding who carries what? Sure seems that way. digonswine May 2018 #84
Not at all Timewas May 2018 #86
I don't carry very frequently kudzu22 Jun 2018 #98
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