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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
63. replies on select if not most points
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:59 PM
May 2018
First, a general sort of opinion/aside on the GC topic: IMHO, GC, in some respects, is in its infancy. The mostly depression era beginnings were anemic by today's standards. Progress and political evolution isn't a painless process. My fellow DU members have enlightened me in many ways and continue daily to teach me. I wanted to take this opportunity to say thanks to you and to any one reading who has written on the site.


I am not in Tuscon-I am in very safe north central Wisconsin.
I agree that most people have personal security in mind when they carry.
Most states have a number of requirements facing folks seeking a CC license.

I disagree with the idea that 99% of hunters are safe.
Virtually nothing is "safe". We traffic accidents and stairway falls and we have shootings at schools and churches to underscore that. I live in a Philly suburb. It's probably an hour or more away to an area where hunting would be appropriate. (I don't hunt not do I discuss it very much) I think most hunters make an effort to be safe. I expect that some hunters (like many drivers I see weaving through traffic at 10-20 mph faster than the surrounding cars) just aren't good at it.

The idea that we let people decide what makes them safe and allow them that courtesy is a bit nuts to me.
It is a rather limited to what you do in your own home. Carrying in public (in most states) requires a bunch of costs, time, effort and BG screening. I'm okay with that. Some states have scaled that back to you need to pass the NICS to buy the gun and you need ID and a pulse. I'm not exactly on board with that. As I said, I'm not viewing myself as a viable candidate for carrying. That's due to many reasons but basically two very key issues. One being I just don't enjoy shooting handguns so I don't see myself making the degree of practice required a priority. Second thing, I was never even marginally good. IMO it would take more time and money than I have to become proficient in low stress situation like a range. My vision is poor and I sleep without my glasses so even at home, I'm not going to be fit to respond to that kind of emergency. I'm rather sure if you take a reputable handgun self-defense course, these aspects will be covered.

Why are there no warnings on guns that say you are more likely to be killed with a gun when you possess one?
Probably because there isn't a law requiring that.
A gun present seems to increase the odds of being killed by a gun.
I'm not sure about that.

Your(not YOU you) right to carry takes years off of my life(on average).
I would think that's wrong. In 2016 there were 14,415 firearm homicides and about 23,000 firearm suicides. (Also, 500+ fatal shootings by law enforcement.) Doing crude math and making a few reasonable estimates (based on the numbers from 2015) the average person lifetime lost due to firearm murders is about 24 days.

One more thing--you might surround yourself with totally rational and well-meaning gun owners.
I have encountered MANY(more than 2) that have other troubling characteristics-I will mention a few--persecution, stepping on their rights, mistrust of government, to name a few.
All I can say about that is that persecution is the kind of problem that won't abate simply by removing a gun from the person. The "stepping on their rights" folks have sort of a 57 varieties. The ones that need to walk around the shopping center in tactical gear carrying an AR are mostly just looking to start with a cop and collect a settlement. The "mistrust of government" folks would include many of the country's founders. I'm not worried about most of that group, today.

I do get what you're saying. I realize that for some folks in some instances there is truth in the saying, "If all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail." I just want to point out that at least 2 out of 7 people in the US owns a gun and far less than 1% ever uses their "hammer" for self-defense in public. I conclude that those folks do have a lot of self-control.

On the political pro-"control" side I also see the same "hammer" issue and I find more of a fair share of legislators using their own hammers trying to figuratively nail jello to the wall. Certainly some laws need changing or updating. IMHO most of the progress to be made won't be achieved through penalties and restrictions.

Have a great weekend.
A question for this group-- [View all] digonswine Apr 2018 OP
And if you do carry "ready to go", as it were, why? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1
well it depends The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #2
Yeah -I know double-action digonswine Apr 2018 #3
even though i dont have guns , i was trained this way too. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #76
First, I understand busy, no need to reply at all to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #4
that's reasonable- digonswine Apr 2018 #5
Cool I just haven't seen you around in this group much discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #6
OK-maybe not control- digonswine Apr 2018 #11
I say control is myth because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #24
By "control"-I was referring to a person's feeling of being personally in control-- digonswine Apr 2018 #29
Like many Democrats, you are logical and respectful discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #33
I can't say I agree with your idea of personal freedom- digonswine May 2018 #56
re: trust and personal freedom discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #58
A few things- digonswine May 2018 #61
A few more things. Straw Man May 2018 #62
One at a time- digonswine May 2018 #66
I think responding to you is most likely a waste of time- digonswine May 2018 #82
If it's such a waste of time, ... Straw Man May 2018 #87
I missed that I responded previously-time went by and I am a busy feller- digonswine May 2018 #90
replies on select if not most points discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #63
I did not see this post- digonswine May 2018 #74
I know teachers take a lot of work home discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #75
I don't want you to get the idea that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #81
Hi-- digonswine May 2018 #83
Hi back at you discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #88
I did have a great holiday--thanks digonswine May 2018 #89
re: "School is a safe place..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #91
It's silly to take the founding fathers' ideas as perfect for today's problems- digonswine Jun 2018 #93
I promise to elaborate but also please check out #92 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #94
I think I covered most of your issues and questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #95
You have been reasonable in discussion, which I appreciate, of course-- digonswine Jun 2018 #96
re: I have had enough of it and am probably done discussing it(maybe). discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #97
Responses to a few discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #92
Why are there no warnings on guns that say you are more likely to be killed with a gun when you poss gejohnston May 2018 #64
Scientific American says different-- digonswine May 2018 #67
false delima gejohnston May 2018 #68
I can't agree- digonswine May 2018 #69
if it is locked to the outside, gejohnston May 2018 #70
I will reply in order of your responses- digonswine May 2018 #73
just a few things gejohnston May 2018 #78
There is no perfect response to a situation of an active shooter- digonswine May 2018 #79
If I might interject... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71
You might- digonswine May 2018 #72
Take a look at this, oneshooter May 2018 #77
Before I retired I lived in a fairly bad section in the Tampa Bay Area. ... spin Apr 2018 #26
Every gun model that's designed for duty use or concealed carry HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #7
It would seem to me that that is not terribly safe- digonswine Apr 2018 #9
If you are worried about a revolver discharging if dropped oneshooter Apr 2018 #17
I am not terribly worried about a dropped revolver-- digonswine May 2018 #85
I carry a gejohnston Apr 2018 #8
Please see my post (#9) digonswine Apr 2018 #10
About 8-10 pounds gejohnston Apr 2018 #14
The "New York trigger" for a Glock is 12lb. oneshooter Apr 2018 #18
Viral videos. Straw Man Apr 2018 #31
If I am carrying something sarisataka Apr 2018 #12
Well- digonswine Apr 2018 #13
I have not seen a lot sarisataka Apr 2018 #16
Hey, welcome to your own opinion! tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #23
2nd amendment mythology excerpt jimmy the one Apr 2018 #34
Speaking of mythology... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #36
Carrying for self-defense generally means being able to draw and shoot quickly. krispos42 Apr 2018 #15
So-- digonswine Apr 2018 #21
Responsible people keep guns in this state only when... krispos42 Apr 2018 #27
I still can't see- digonswine Apr 2018 #28
There's a big difference ... Straw Man Apr 2018 #30
The question would seem to be "safe from what?" krispos42 Apr 2018 #35
I think the main reason that safeties on handguns HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #19
I haven't carried in years, but when I did... aikoaiko Apr 2018 #20
I carry occasionally... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #22
(redirected) British 'have arms' decrees jimmy the one Apr 2018 #37
"...the right to "have arms" embodied in the English Declaration of Rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #40
Scalia cited Ben Oliver in heller jimmy the one Apr 2018 #41
And in that regard: discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #43
Earth to J1... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #42
jto checkmates the pretzel logic jimmy the one May 2018 #50
redirected #2, prevention not disarmament jimmy the one Apr 2018 #38
Disarmament tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #44
arms embargoes jimmy the one May 2018 #47
redirected #3, Fort Pownal, Maine jimmy the one Apr 2018 #39
WTF are you talking about? tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #45
Ports mouth, common harbor jimmy the one May 2018 #46
And again with the calumnies... tortoise1956 May 2018 #49
how to lodge a complaint jimmy the one May 2018 #59
more contradictions jimmy the one May 2018 #60
correction on fort pownal jimmy the one May 2018 #51
I legally carry a snub nosed revolver. ... spin Apr 2018 #25
dig on spot on jimmy the one Apr 2018 #32
Correlation. Straw Man May 2018 #48
That last paragraph looks like crap. krispos42 May 2018 #65
fair points jimmy the one May 2018 #80
Most semi auto Timewas May 2018 #52
Neither do many that OC discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #53
Glocks are safer than you say Alea May 2018 #54
Everyone Timewas May 2018 #55
Glocks just don't feel right in my hand. n/t oneshooter May 2018 #57
re you saying there should be limits regarding who carries what? Sure seems that way. digonswine May 2018 #84
Not at all Timewas May 2018 #86
I don't carry very frequently kudzu22 Jun 2018 #98
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