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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 06:05 PM

18. If it's poorly reasoned, kindly state why,

instead of just repeating yourself. If the analogy fails, you'll have more success convincing me or others if you show how it fails. When you just repeat yourself rather than addressing the argument, other folks reading the thread are going to think "that's all he's got?" I could have just replied with "banning all semi-autos won't work, your proposal is not well thought-out", but that would have been kind of weak, wouldn't it?

I happen to think it's a great analogy because you would tell us that we don't really need to possess guns, but that we do it because we have a perverse fetish for them. While that's arguable due to their usefulness in self-defense, people really don't need to drink. They really don't. In the days before sanitary water systems, fermented beverages were useful, but we Americans can all get clean water now. And in pharmacy, it is only used as a vehicle for certain drugs, but the alcohol itself is not prescribed. There are many better, safer depressant drugs available. The only reason people drink alcohol is for pleasure. There is no "self defense" analogy. Alcohol is less necessary than firearms.

And I started out using drunk driving deaths, because it illustrates irresponsible behavior that could be addressed by proactively banning the thing (alcohol in place of gun) so that people will not have access to it, and will thus be unable to hurt other people as a result of using the thing irresponsibly.

But I know why you won't answer my question as to whether we should ban alcohol. Because you don't support banning alcohol as a political cause, and your reasons for not supporting that cause are some of the same reasons many Americans don't want to ban guns. If I'm wrong about your position on alcohol, you are free to correct me.

Lastly, I will address your arguments.

Works in Canada. Would work here.

I don't think it would work here.

Use the time you would have used on your 1000-word replies here to make an anti-NRA sign and go to a protest or GOP town hall. You’ll accomplish a lot more, and save some American lives.


No, I think it is more harmful to our party's electoral prospects to be seen as an anti-gun party. I don't want to harm Democrats' electoral prospects, I want us to win.

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