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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:26 PM

35. What I have got.

That's what you have got?


Per your suggestion, I was trying to keep my word count down.

Alcohol is not a weapon designed to kill people. It is not an instrument of domestic terror.


Ok, that's at least an answer. But I'm going to object to both parts. By and large, firearms in the U.S. are not instruments of domestic terror. Most are held by people who will never use them for evil, but you want to punish the whole lot of them for the sins of a few. If there are 15000 firearm deaths per year, and 393 million civillian firearms (using round numbers), that's 0.004% use for evil. And that's assuming all those deaths were murder, when many are suicides, and some are self defense. It's a very low percentage. So based on today's statistics, 99.996% of firearms you want to ban would not be used for suspected evil. That's why so many Americans, Democrats and independents included, object to such a heavy handed ban. To be fair, you are saying to just ban semiautomatics, and I had a hard time finding data on that. But that includes every gun where, once loaded, can fire repeatedly with repeated trigger pulls. Based on my anecdotal survey of gun owners I know, it probably includes most guns in the US. Maybe some members of this group will have actual statistics.

As for alcohol not being designed to kill, I couldn't have designed a better killer of Americans if I'd wanted. There are 88,000 alcohol related deaths per year. 49,000 of those are from accidents, violence, suicide, and acute poisonings.
https://nccd.cdc.gov/DPH_ARDI/Default/Report.aspx?T=AAM&P=f6d7eda7-036e-4553-9968-9b17ffad620e&R=d7a9b303-48e9-4440-bf47-070a4827e1fd&M=8E1C5233-5640-4EE8-9247-1ECA7DA325B9&F=&D=

That is far more than gun deaths. I hear you say tgat alcohol is not designed to kill, but tgat seems irrelevant. Herioin was not designed to kill either, but it was banned long ago. I'm not proposing to ban all alcohol, as you are not proposing to ban all guns. I'm proposing to make it much more difficult for people to get drunk and hurt other people. Why won't you explain why you think this policy is not warranted? Is it because you like your strong drinks too much, and selfishly don't want to give them up? Or that you think it won't work? Or some other reason.

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