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MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
35. What I have got.
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jul 2019
That's what you have got?


Per your suggestion, I was trying to keep my word count down.

Alcohol is not a weapon designed to kill people. It is not an instrument of domestic terror.


Ok, that's at least an answer. But I'm going to object to both parts. By and large, firearms in the U.S. are not instruments of domestic terror. Most are held by people who will never use them for evil, but you want to punish the whole lot of them for the sins of a few. If there are 15000 firearm deaths per year, and 393 million civillian firearms (using round numbers), that's 0.004% use for evil. And that's assuming all those deaths were murder, when many are suicides, and some are self defense. It's a very low percentage. So based on today's statistics, 99.996% of firearms you want to ban would not be used for suspected evil. That's why so many Americans, Democrats and independents included, object to such a heavy handed ban. To be fair, you are saying to just ban semiautomatics, and I had a hard time finding data on that. But that includes every gun where, once loaded, can fire repeatedly with repeated trigger pulls. Based on my anecdotal survey of gun owners I know, it probably includes most guns in the US. Maybe some members of this group will have actual statistics.

As for alcohol not being designed to kill, I couldn't have designed a better killer of Americans if I'd wanted. There are 88,000 alcohol related deaths per year. 49,000 of those are from accidents, violence, suicide, and acute poisonings.
https://nccd.cdc.gov/DPH_ARDI/Default/Report.aspx?T=AAM&P=f6d7eda7-036e-4553-9968-9b17ffad620e&R=d7a9b303-48e9-4440-bf47-070a4827e1fd&M=8E1C5233-5640-4EE8-9247-1ECA7DA325B9&F=&D=

That is far more than gun deaths. I hear you say tgat alcohol is not designed to kill, but tgat seems irrelevant. Herioin was not designed to kill either, but it was banned long ago. I'm not proposing to ban all alcohol, as you are not proposing to ban all guns. I'm proposing to make it much more difficult for people to get drunk and hurt other people. Why won't you explain why you think this policy is not warranted? Is it because you like your strong drinks too much, and selfishly don't want to give them up? Or that you think it won't work? Or some other reason.
Hmm discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #1
Advocating for assault weapon bans harm America far more krispos42 Jul 2019 #2
You don't *GET* it The Mouth Jul 2019 #3
Dead Americans aren't worth working to fix? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #6
Ignorance is worth working to fix The Mouth Jul 2019 #14
You mean the killers who grab their guns before shooting kids? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #16
Teh guns, they kill kids. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #25
You are not much different from those waving fetus photos in front of abortion clinics... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #29
Ban all semiautos. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #9
Analogy: MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #15
No. Analogy is to Canada: ban all semiautos. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #17
If it's poorly reasoned, kindly state why, MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #18
Guns kill American kids. The NRA supports domestic terror. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #23
re: "Alcohol is not a weapon designed to kill people." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #26
We have seen anti gun proponents sarisataka Jul 2019 #27
What I have got. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #35
Except firearms ARE an instrument of domestic terror sharedvalues Jul 2019 #36
If you want to save more lives, what do you have against my alcohol proposal? MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #37
Handguns kill Americans. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #39
You are correct, you have made them repeatedly. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #40
Handguns kill Americans. Obtuseness isn't helpful. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #41
Other countries? Straw Man Jul 2019 #44
Alcohol kills more Americans. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #45
Your gun fun gets Americans killed. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #48
So get your laws passed. hack89 Jul 2019 #49
Then get the h*ll out of the way. Support gun control. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #54
I do. hack89 Jul 2019 #55
Good and bad, but thanks sharedvalues Jul 2019 #56
Ok. Nt hack89 Jul 2019 #57
You just shifted your position to fit my logic. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #50
You forgot to add: yagotme Jul 2019 #51
re: difficulties in implementing the policy discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #43
I resemble that remark! MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #46
I aye! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #47
Ban handguns; why attempt to distract with incommensurables? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #42
The many reasons why much of this is simply rhetoric and hyperbole discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #38
Canada doesn't "ban all semi-autos." Straw Man Jul 2019 #19
Pious frauds regard truth as something that can be skipped when 'necessary' friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #34
Better analogy is a ban of hand grenades. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #24
More pious fraud on your part-there is no "existing ban on hand grenades" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #30
And once more, completely missing the point krispos42 Jul 2019 #21
Blah blah Gun knowledge semantics sharedvalues Jul 2019 #22
https://dictionary.apa.org/false-consensus-effect friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #31
Yeah, I can see how much you want to protect kids krispos42 Jul 2019 #52
Guns kill kids and you can't handle the truth. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #53
I'm sorry you hate guns more than you love American children friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #58
Your schtick is far from original, and was recognized at DU as far back as 2013: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #59
And I'm sorry you hate guns more than you love American lives krispos42 Jul 2019 #60
I love America. Guns kill Americans. Anyone who supports guns helps kill Americans sharedvalues Jul 2019 #61
If you're including handguns, that would actually make a difference. sir pball Jul 2019 #28
Correct. Ban semiautos, including handguns. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #32
*Still* you persist in bullshitting us: "Canada essentially bans in public all semiauto weapons" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #33
Aren't you happy the NRA is pissing away their money hack89 Jul 2019 #4
I am happy the NRA is imploding. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #7
They will just move to another gun rights group. hack89 Jul 2019 #11
Gun owners are a complicit-in-kid-deaths demographic sharedvalues Jul 2019 #12
That's funny hack89 Jul 2019 #13
Reminds me of something written on a family member's chemistry test discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #20
You also are helping the environment hack89 Jul 2019 #5
Medical care for people that get shot. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #8
Change the law. Not complicated. Nt hack89 Jul 2019 #10
Well, I guess I "harm(ed) America by funding the NRA..." melm00se Jul 2019 #62
The children who died at Sandy Hook-- you helped the NRA support their deaths. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #63
I support the NRA Foundation melm00se Aug 2019 #64
Your money helps support kid deaths :( sharedvalues Aug 2019 #65
i am going to hazard a guess melm00se Aug 2019 #66
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