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MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
45. Alcohol kills more Americans.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jul 2019

What legitimate use does it have? Recreation is it. And it's lethal for so many. And you haven't directly answered, but I guess I will assume that you would not ban, nor more strictly regulate alcohol. The only reason you have given is that is does have a legitimate use (recreation), which I acknowledge, thus making my point, by illustrating one of the many reasons that it should not be banned.

And allow me to get this out of the way in answer to your question: I don't buy guns, because I already have what I need. I do buy ammo on occasion. I'm no more complicit in American firearm deaths, than I am in alcohol deaths because I bought a case of beer. If I die from alcohol, then I am complicit in my alcohol related death. If I get drunk and kill people behind the wheel, then I am complicit in their deaths, but still not complicit in all 88,000 Americans who die from it every year. That's how that works. Your argument is as absurd as those PSAs during the Bush admin, telling us that if we bought weed, we were supporting terrorism. So if people buy weed on the black market, are they supporting terrorism? Is everyone who smokes weed in a prohibition state a terrible person? Is everone who buys gasoline responsible for terrorism?

I suppose you are calling me obtuse for assuming the police would also be prohibited from carrying these weapons of domestic terror, as you call them. But your replies are so evasive that I am left to either make assumptions about what you are saying, thus risking putting words in your mouth, or otherwise appearing "obtuse" as you call it.

So you would allow the police to carry semi-automatics, yes? You'd allow the police, who in America do not have a stellar track record of treating civilians well, to carry "weapons of domestic terror"? What this reveals is the following:

(1) You are implicitly acknowledging that they are not weapons of domestic terror.

(2) You are implicitly acknowledging that semi-automatic firearms do have a legitimate use in peacetime.

(3) You still want them banned from civilian hands, because you think that civilians using weapons for self-defense is not a legitimate act. You think that a civilian who keeps a firearm for self-defense is committing a wrong, improper, possibly evil act.

And it is especially on that last point that I completely disagree with you. And so do many other Americans, including Democrats and Independents. Just as a majority of us don't want an alcohol ban, we don't want a ban of semi-automatics. Just as a proposed ban of alcohol would never succeed and would be a political disaster for any political party that proposed it, so would a proposed blanket ban of semi-automatics.

Hmm discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #1
Advocating for assault weapon bans harm America far more krispos42 Jul 2019 #2
You don't *GET* it The Mouth Jul 2019 #3
Dead Americans aren't worth working to fix? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #6
Ignorance is worth working to fix The Mouth Jul 2019 #14
You mean the killers who grab their guns before shooting kids? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #16
Teh guns, they kill kids. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #25
You are not much different from those waving fetus photos in front of abortion clinics... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #29
Ban all semiautos. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #9
Analogy: MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #15
No. Analogy is to Canada: ban all semiautos. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #17
If it's poorly reasoned, kindly state why, MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #18
Guns kill American kids. The NRA supports domestic terror. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #23
re: "Alcohol is not a weapon designed to kill people." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #26
We have seen anti gun proponents sarisataka Jul 2019 #27
What I have got. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #35
Except firearms ARE an instrument of domestic terror sharedvalues Jul 2019 #36
If you want to save more lives, what do you have against my alcohol proposal? MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #37
Handguns kill Americans. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #39
You are correct, you have made them repeatedly. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #40
Handguns kill Americans. Obtuseness isn't helpful. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #41
Other countries? Straw Man Jul 2019 #44
Alcohol kills more Americans. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #45
Your gun fun gets Americans killed. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #48
So get your laws passed. hack89 Jul 2019 #49
Then get the h*ll out of the way. Support gun control. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #54
I do. hack89 Jul 2019 #55
Good and bad, but thanks sharedvalues Jul 2019 #56
Ok. Nt hack89 Jul 2019 #57
You just shifted your position to fit my logic. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #50
You forgot to add: yagotme Jul 2019 #51
re: difficulties in implementing the policy discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #43
I resemble that remark! MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #46
I aye! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #47
Ban handguns; why attempt to distract with incommensurables? sharedvalues Jul 2019 #42
The many reasons why much of this is simply rhetoric and hyperbole discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #38
Canada doesn't "ban all semi-autos." Straw Man Jul 2019 #19
Pious frauds regard truth as something that can be skipped when 'necessary' friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #34
Better analogy is a ban of hand grenades. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #24
More pious fraud on your part-there is no "existing ban on hand grenades" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #30
And once more, completely missing the point krispos42 Jul 2019 #21
Blah blah Gun knowledge semantics sharedvalues Jul 2019 #22
https://dictionary.apa.org/false-consensus-effect friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #31
Yeah, I can see how much you want to protect kids krispos42 Jul 2019 #52
Guns kill kids and you can't handle the truth. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #53
I'm sorry you hate guns more than you love American children friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #58
Your schtick is far from original, and was recognized at DU as far back as 2013: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #59
And I'm sorry you hate guns more than you love American lives krispos42 Jul 2019 #60
I love America. Guns kill Americans. Anyone who supports guns helps kill Americans sharedvalues Jul 2019 #61
If you're including handguns, that would actually make a difference. sir pball Jul 2019 #28
Correct. Ban semiautos, including handguns. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #32
*Still* you persist in bullshitting us: "Canada essentially bans in public all semiauto weapons" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2019 #33
Aren't you happy the NRA is pissing away their money hack89 Jul 2019 #4
I am happy the NRA is imploding. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #7
They will just move to another gun rights group. hack89 Jul 2019 #11
Gun owners are a complicit-in-kid-deaths demographic sharedvalues Jul 2019 #12
That's funny hack89 Jul 2019 #13
Reminds me of something written on a family member's chemistry test discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2019 #20
You also are helping the environment hack89 Jul 2019 #5
Medical care for people that get shot. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #8
Change the law. Not complicated. Nt hack89 Jul 2019 #10
Well, I guess I "harm(ed) America by funding the NRA..." melm00se Jul 2019 #62
The children who died at Sandy Hook-- you helped the NRA support their deaths. sharedvalues Jul 2019 #63
I support the NRA Foundation melm00se Aug 2019 #64
Your money helps support kid deaths :( sharedvalues Aug 2019 #65
i am going to hazard a guess melm00se Aug 2019 #66
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