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5. Of course a gun can be used to kill.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:55 AM
Dec 2020

Not all homicides are murders. Of the various possible use cases for a gun, that selection is made by one who holds it. Law enforcement officers are armed for many reasons primarily due to criminals becoming combative to the point of personal danger to the officers. Cops use their weapons, both lethal and non-lethal, generally for personal defense. Is there some reason that private citizens should be denied the opportunity to defend themselves which the police have?

You seem to think that manufacturers can be responsible (or not) for the use of their products based on your narrow opinion of the design capabilities and purposes. Many recreational shooters such as yourself buy guns without any intention to use them for neither crime nor self-defense. What result are you seeking in allowing manufacturers to be sued for crimes which no one can foresee? What plan do you have or what laws would prevent events such as Orlando and Las Vegas?

Are you aware that the Las Vegas shooter had 9 rifles in .308? One of them was a bolt action, the others were AR-10 type. Should the company that made your rifle be partly responsible? At what point should responsibility end?

"...Mandalay Bay Hotel and MGM Resorts were successfully sued..."
The suit was filed and never adjudicated.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/court-oks-800m-settlement-mgm-resorts-vegas-victims-73352628
Eglet previously said that everyone involved "recognized there are no winners in long, drawn-out litigation with multiple trials where people and the community are reliving the event every time we try a case."
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In various lawsuits, victims and families accused MGM Resorts of failing to protect people at the concert venue or stop the shooter from amassing an arsenal of weapons and ammunition over several days before he opened fire.
I infer that that the defendant organizations determined that revenue lost during extended trials and media coverage would be a greater loss than the out of court settlement reached. I think the actual settlement amount was about $800 million.

Do I think the MGM Resorts is more responsible than the gun makers? No, I think the settlement was a wise business decision based on financial and public relations considerations.

Regarding the Orlando club shooting, police in numerous jurisdictions have amply demonstrated (often justifiably so) that bringing a bladed weapon to a gunfight does not preclude you from getting shot. The perp armed himself, killed people and presented a continued danger. IMO it was a justified use of force.

Your apparent shortsighted opinion that the only non-hunting civilian use for a gun is murder is wrong. Your apparent implication that all non-police homicides using a gun are evil is wrong.
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