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In reply to the discussion: "Senate Dems introduce 'assault weapons' ban bill on 205 gun models" [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)19. Gun controllers are every bit as puritanical as some of the various subgroups in the GOP
The difference lies in what each particular sect of Prohibitionists deem to be evil.
For the Republican ones, it's:
*Brown people voting (or worse, trying to become legal US residents)
*Non-straight, white, males doing as they see fit with their own bodies
For gun prohibitionists, it's:
*Guns and gun owners
Your interlocutor has previously envisioned a mass roundup of 'noncompliant' gun owners.
If one were to change that to 'undocumented migrants', it would fit right in with what the Pubbies have been spewing
as of late
As for the controllers intractable delusions of popularity, puritanism of all stripes inevitably leads to false consensus effect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect
In psychology, the false consensus effect, also known as consensus bias, is a pervasive cognitive bias that causes people to see their own behavioral choices and judgments as relatively common and appropriate to existing circumstances. In other words, they assume that their personal qualities, characteristics, beliefs, and actions are relatively widespread through the general population.
This false consensus is significant because it increases self-esteem (overconfidence effect). It can be derived from a desire to conform and be liked by others in a social environment. This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way. The false-consensus effect is not restricted to cases where people believe that their values are shared by the majority, but it still manifests as an overestimate of the extent of their belief.
Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.There is no single cause for this cognitive bias; the availability heuristic, self-serving bias, and naïve realism have been suggested as at least partial underlying factors. The bias may also result, at least in part, from non-social stimulus-reward associations. Maintenance of this cognitive bias may be related to the tendency to make decisions with relatively little information. When faced with uncertainty and a limited sample from which to make decisions, people often "project" themselves onto the situation. When this personal knowledge is used as input to make generalizations, it often results in the false sense of being part of the majority...
This false consensus is significant because it increases self-esteem (overconfidence effect). It can be derived from a desire to conform and be liked by others in a social environment. This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way. The false-consensus effect is not restricted to cases where people believe that their values are shared by the majority, but it still manifests as an overestimate of the extent of their belief.
Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.There is no single cause for this cognitive bias; the availability heuristic, self-serving bias, and naïve realism have been suggested as at least partial underlying factors. The bias may also result, at least in part, from non-social stimulus-reward associations. Maintenance of this cognitive bias may be related to the tendency to make decisions with relatively little information. When faced with uncertainty and a limited sample from which to make decisions, people often "project" themselves onto the situation. When this personal knowledge is used as input to make generalizations, it often results in the false sense of being part of the majority...
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"Senate Dems introduce 'assault weapons' ban bill on 205 gun models" [View all]
krispos42
Mar 2021
OP
Yeah, "they" are a real pain in the ass for you gun enthusiasts, aren't "they"? (nt)
Paladin
Mar 2021
#6
I'm not a gun enthusiast, but banning weapons based on appearances doesn't accomplish anything.
MichMan
Mar 2021
#7
Not true: it makes the self-righteous feel better, and gives the GOP a handy wedge issue
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#11
These are neo-Puritans fighting what they regard as evil. Actual crime stats are almost irrelevant
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#13
Gun controllers are every bit as puritanical as some of the various subgroups in the GOP
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#19
"No more compromise" I was waiting for the "no loaf is better than half a loaf" crowd to show up
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#18
So rather than have the government confiscate all handguns, you would have them confiscate "only"
Dial H For Hero
Mar 2021
#23
You're advocating that the government consficate about 200 million firearms from private hands.
Dial H For Hero
Mar 2021
#29
I would estimate that roughly 75% of privately owned handguns are semiautomatics, and of those
Dial H For Hero
Mar 2021
#31
"Take part or sit back and let people like me do it for you." Forced teaming? Really?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#33
"Take part or sit back and let people like me do it for you." There is a third alternative.
Dial H For Hero
Mar 2021
#34
People have been arguing that massive gun control is just around the corner for *decades*.
Dial H For Hero
Mar 2021
#39
"Talking points": The gun-control version of "Widespread voting fraud"
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#40
Yup. Because, you see there's this funny thing where the party in power gets to do shit
krispos42
Mar 2021
#52
You've declared "No more compromise" and "take 'em all, and round up the people that don't comply"..
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2021
#24