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yagotme

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13. Call a poll tax a "fee" to defray costs of the election...
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 05:46 PM
Apr 2021

See how this works?

And the state was approx. 5-6 months behind, prior to Covid, so "normal" is a questionable thing. There are lawsuits filed against the state, as it was supposed to be a 1-2 month wait for responses. The state being behind, even with NICS call ins, can cause a delay to purchase, instead of a proceed. This is in conjunction with a 3-day waiting period. If I have a FOID card, and an "Instant" background check, why am I required to wait, also? Heat of the moment? I already have had a FOID for several years, so chances are high I already have a firearm to use.

"The comparison of the right to vote to the right to own a firearm is just too silly to merit a response."


What, to compare constitutional rights is "silly"? (And yet, you did respond.) Anything else in the Bill of Rights you want delayed, fees applied, or taken away? And, you state that
"similar to other modest fees charged by most governments to defray the expense of the paperwork and record keeping for all sorts of documentation"
could, and have been, applied to poll taxes.

Ahh, restrictions, and "constitutional carry". How about "constitutional speech"? Does that sound like a silly arrangement?

U.S. v Miller: A lot of gun prohibitionists love to use this court case, but basically he was denied in absentia, as he was deceased at the time of the hearing. The court denied the possession of the "sawed off shotgun", as it was "not in current usage by the military." Remember that statement. The court WAS wrong, as shotguns were in use at the time, the "trench broom". Now, if one reads the noted statement above, it would seem that the court at that time would view a "current" military arm as permissible use. Let the meaning of that sink in.

My belief: A "citizen", one of the "people" listed in the 2d, is one who has lawful citizenship, not been convicted of any felony which carries a sentence of over 1 year incarceration, and is of lawful age to vote. This is the base from which I would expound on. Mental patients, those who don't have full control of their faculties (Severe Alzheimers, etc.), temporary bans on assault charges, domestics, etc. Younger children allowed to handle weapons under parental supervision. As far as type of weapon, no extreme mass casualty type. No, I don't want John Brown down the street to keep a Trident III missile with a multi-tipped nuclear payload in his front yard. However, if he has, and can afford, a 155mm howitzer, and has a place to safely shoot it (not likely, anyway), I'd love to see it go off. People legally own machine guns, mortars, bazookas, and even tanks with functioning armaments. Know why you never see these in the news? Because they're LEGALLY owned, by upright citizens, and the cost of the system/fees, and jail time if used inappropriately, keeps them in check. Along with NOT wanting to murder anybody. The machine guns you DO see in the news, are either illegal ones, or not really machineguns. Because few in the media don't know what they're reporting on, with knowledge of firearms. Everything's either a Glock, an AK-47, or an AR-15/M-16. Hope this clears some things up.
How did she get the gun? Frasier Balzov Apr 2021 #1
She might not have bought it in Illinois. Angleae Apr 2021 #6
Or she may have bought it in Illinois before FOID requirements. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #9
"In my opinion, FOID is not a strong enough deterrent to possession." friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #8
May I please see your -BOID-? RotorHead May 2021 #54
False equivalency. Frasier Balzov May 2021 #58
Well, SON... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #59
I think of those kids at Sandy Hook and Marjorie Stoneman Frasier Balzov May 2021 #61
"Think of the children" is a longtime tactic of crooks, demagogues, and moral panic-mongers friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #62
Since there is no Right to murder people... RotorHead May 2021 #64
re "...wonder what rights you could possibly be claiming..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #66
BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #60
Thank you. RotorHead May 2021 #63
:) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #67
How so? RotorHead May 2021 #65
The Illitucky circuit, one of 2 dozen IL circuits, and he's one of a dozen judges in it. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2021 #2
As I understand it, it's for this case only. yagotme Apr 2021 #24
Interesting case. James48 Apr 2021 #3
"Good"? Did you mean "Good God!" Or should we just remove ALL common sense statutes that Atticus Apr 2021 #4
"Infringes..." yagotme Apr 2021 #11
I'm sure that, like everything else, responses to FOID apps are slower due to Atticus Apr 2021 #12
Call a poll tax a "fee" to defray costs of the election... yagotme Apr 2021 #13
I don"t think anything I could say could be more revealing of how extreme your views are than Atticus Apr 2021 #14
Extreme views? yagotme Apr 2021 #22
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #23
Correct, thank you Hawker123 Apr 2021 #25
Obviously, there is little to be gained by further back-and-forth with you and your choir but, Atticus Apr 2021 #28
Such declaratory. Many emphatic. And not only wrong, but wrong-headed friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #29
I'm sure you think that post makes sense, don't you? Atticus Apr 2021 #30
I'm sure you think that post was an effective rebuttal, don't you? Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #31
So very true Hawker123 May 2021 #40
Made perfect sense to me, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #32
Peeved because your self-righteous sermonizing didn't get a receptive audience? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #35
Unlike castle bansalot Hawker123 May 2021 #41
All I can say has been better said before. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #52
Unlike castle bansalot Hawker123 May 2021 #42
What is Castle Bansalot? Irish_Dem May 2021 #45
Have a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #46
Thank you for the info. Irish_Dem May 2021 #47
For reference... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #48
I had no idea these groups existed on DU. Irish_Dem May 2021 #49
You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #50
Yes that is one I am interested in as well. Irish_Dem May 2021 #51
Surely you can explain where s/he was incorrect, yes? RotorHead May 2021 #56
Let's look at some of these... yagotme Apr 2021 #33
And yet ... Straw Man May 2021 #39
Sounds to me *very* much to me like the RW attempts to gut Roe v Wade, Obergfell v Hughes, etc friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #43
I would hardly call making someone watih months to exercise a constitutional "common sense". Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #15
Yeah, let's just sell AR-15s out of vending machines. Anyone with the cash can buy one NOW! nt Atticus Apr 2021 #16
That's essentially the way it has *always* been when it comes to private sales between individuals. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #17
And, you think that's OK? nt Atticus Apr 2021 #18
Yes I do. nt Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #19
Case closed. There is no more doubt about your agenda. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #20
My agenda is simply supporting present federal gun laws, with one exception. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #21
Definitely agree with suppressors Hawker123 Apr 2021 #26
In some European countries, they're essentially sold over the counter. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #27
Some countries, (Finland is one, IIRC), yagotme Apr 2021 #34
France is another. oneshooter Apr 2021 #36
Please explain this "agenda" you see? RotorHead May 2021 #57
"(diminuative of 'James') (species of corvid)" laws were *also* held to be "common sense"... friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #44
Hopefully The Mouth Apr 2021 #37
Extraordinaily unlikely. More plausibly, they may mandate that every state be at least Dial H For Hero May 2021 #38
Me too. I'd be happy with that The Mouth May 2021 #53
How is the FOID 'common sense"? RotorHead May 2021 #55
Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #5
I am on the fence regarding the Illinois FOID system... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #7
Friends in IL that have gotten FOID cards report the system as fair, albeit... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #10
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