Gun Control & RKBA

Atypical Liberal

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20. On fear.

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2011, 05:52 PM

Dec 2011

Let's get one thing straight right off the bat. The really fearful ones ar those who feel they cannot leave the house without a gun. These are folks who for the most part do not enter dangerous neighborhoods, do not carry large amounts of cash, and lead perfectly normal lives. Yet, their fear of that highly unlikely attack is so great they decide a gun is the answer, in spite of evidence and commonsense to the contrary.

I have smoke detectors in every bedroom of my home, and in my living room. Does this mean I am really fearful of fire? I wear seatbelts every time I get in my car. I did this from the first day I learned to drive, well before it was required by law. Does this mean I am really fearful of car accidents? I have a spare tire in my car. Does this mean I am really fearful of flat tires? I have a set of tools in my RV. Does this mean I am really fearful of breaking down?

Of course not.

Man is a tool-using creature. He has developed tools that allow him to overcome problems that he encounters in life. Some of the problems are rare, but devastating when you experience them. Since the tools to mitigate these problems are so cheap, many people decide that it is just prudent to buy and keep such tools ready in the rare instance they may need them.

Carrying a firearm is no different.

Now comes a female student who says she's "terrified" of guys like that. Is this worthy of being mocked? Does this indicate that she's the unreasonable one?

Absolutely. One need only look at the data that has been posted here many times before - CCW permit holders are hardly ever involved in any kind of crime, let alone firearm-related crime. In addition, if you know that you are in the company of a CCW permit holder, then you KNOW that person has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent, has never been involuntarily committed to a mental institution, and has never been convicted of a disqualifying felony.

If any rational person had a choice of being surrounded by random citizens or being surrounded by armed CCW permit holders, you would be far, far, far safer to choose being surrounded by the CCW permit holders.

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Plymouth State University in New Hampshire - Pro-Gun Demonstration [View all] mikeb302000 Dec 2011 OP

where do I start? gejohnston Dec 2011 #1

Jardis... Callisto32 Dec 2011 #2

Given your intensity and obsession with disarming law abiding folks.... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #3

I don't want to disarmam anyone except the unfit nt mikeb302000 Dec 2011 #67

Of course Oneka Dec 2011 #69

Really, I thought you were against the larwful concealed carry. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #70

So it wasn't you that wrote this? Better have a talk with their ISP about that identity theft... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #71

Whew, link shows a couple of young republican "gun activists" I think. Female student sounds smart. Hoyt Dec 2011 #4

And yet she didn't express fear of the same student carrying a gun at pizza & subs across the street aikoaiko Dec 2011 #5

I think she has seen the types who are into guns at that age -- and wants no part of it on campus. Hoyt Dec 2011 #7

"...at that age..." PavePusher Dec 2011 #13

21 year olds with no criminal history ... quite the group of people to be concerned about, eh? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #41

This rally was HUGH!?!! TheCowsCameHome Dec 2011 #6

Guns on campus are bad enough, but those two guys are really suspect. Hoyt Dec 2011 #8

Suspect of what, hoyt? PavePusher Dec 2011 #10

Lack of judgement and priorities in life. Hoyt Dec 2011 #28

Ah, I was right. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #30

got google? iverglas Dec 2011 #33

there are 2 Tommy Mozingos in the US white pages iverglas Dec 2011 #34

"The really fearful ones ar those who feel they cannot leave the house without a gun." PavePusher Dec 2011 #9

Ah, the master of slander, innuendo, insinuation and lies continues. PavePusher Dec 2011 #11

Only one comment so far at the original article, and it's a massive strawman PavePusher Dec 2011 #12

Question, are people who study a martial arts such as karate or jujitsu... spin Dec 2011 #14

Obviously, people who study martial arts want to attack others. PavePusher Dec 2011 #15

The marital arts instructor that I had ... spin Dec 2011 #16

Heh, just riffing off one of our favorite... provacateurs. PavePusher Dec 2011 #17

No problem. I recognized your tactics... spin Dec 2011 #21

Y'know, I really don't think self-defense is the main purpose of the marital arts, petronius Dec 2011 #18

May I see your Karate Permit, please? PavePusher Dec 2011 #22

Sorry, dude. Any permits I may have are a private matter between me and my petronius Dec 2011 #23

Regarding smilies, there are a bunch of new ones here: petronius Dec 2011 #26

Much depends on the martial art ... spin Dec 2011 #24

A joke that needs explaining really wasn't, so I confess myself a failure petronius Dec 2011 #25

I should learn not to watch football while I am posting on DU ... spin Dec 2011 #27

Excellent post Mike. K&R Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #19

People like you two have made gun control the success it is today. Long may you post! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #31

I don't support Brady or the NRA Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #32

Oh, do tell... Straw Man Dec 2011 #36

You know perfectly well what the original intent was Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #37

No, we know perfectly well what *you believe* the original intent was. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #38

Haven't we been over this before? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39

I do, but apparently you don't. Straw Man Dec 2011 #40

What does SCOTUS have to do with the original intent apart from interpreting it? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #42

Interpreting it creates the law we live under. Straw Man Dec 2011 #43

If, as you said.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #44

Let me ask you a question Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #45

Consistently incoherent and emotionally driven bullshit. ntnt rrneck Dec 2011 #46

No problem... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #47

OK, let me respond with my opinion, if I'm allowed. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #59

"Compulsive shoe wearing is an addiction, the same as any compulsive behavior." PavePusher Dec 2011 #49

Makes me wonder if you've ever walked barefoot in the street Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #64

My handgun is designed to protect me. PavePusher Dec 2011 #65

No, it is designed to cause injury. That is it's function. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #72

Nope - that's your OPINION. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #73

Wrong. It's not my opinion. It is a fact. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #74

Cite, please? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #76

Cite what? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #78

This: PavePusher Dec 2011 #79

Please enlighten me as to it's other purposes Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #82

We have.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #83

Let me help you Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #84

No i don't We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #85

Thank you for confirming. Damn, it's like pulling teeth sometimes. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86

You keep insinuating a mental aberation. PavePusher Dec 2011 #50

What's your opinion on compulsive behavior? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53

define gejohnston Dec 2011 #54

And I have a question for you. Straw Man Dec 2011 #51

No I don't, but I advocate using other tactics outside the home Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52

Why "other tactics"? Straw Man Dec 2011 #55

Do you carry yout fire extinguisher around with you? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #61

In my car. Straw Man Dec 2011 #66

That's funny "the bearer" of a fire extinguisher. Good for you. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #75

Dude, you're easily amused. Straw Man Dec 2011 #77

In other words, you only support the freedom of expression so long as it doesn't disturb you. N/T Marengo Dec 2011 #56

Not at all, I support all forms of expression. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #60

No, you do not. The individual's right of expression in a public space... Marengo Dec 2011 #68

This needs correction... SteveW Dec 2011 #58

The right to keep and bear arms for the security of the state by having a well regulated militia Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #62

"On the contrary, it could be argued that the proliferation of handguns on the streets Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #63

Are you calling me an ass? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #81

Sorry, but the "Right of the people" is operative in the Bill of Rights... SteveW Dec 2011 #80

On fear. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #20

write your congressman and have people that look wrong to you locked up. ileus Dec 2011 #29

nah, i'll just carry concealed and shoot the ones that scare me. locking 'em up costs the taxpayers Scout Dec 2011 #35

. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #48

My goodness, are you irony-deficient? SteveW Dec 2011 #57