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Yep - and in a state which has even stricter gun control than you would like to see... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #1
Certainly points out what a failure gun control is hack89 Dec 2011 #2
Probably stolen. ellisonz Dec 2011 #3
Probably, maybe, who gots, whatever-r-r-r....nt SteveW Dec 2011 #4
You're the one making demonstrably false suppositions about the crime rate. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #9
I fail to see any demonstrably false suppositions or statements he has made about the crime rate We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #33
What false suppositions? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #34
You continue to be prima facie wrong about your assertions/accusations. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #80
So the actual criminal is not at fault here? Got it. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #5
Not exclusively - no. ellisonz Dec 2011 #7
But it is enough for you to restrict my civil rights? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #15
Is it enough for you to have innocent victims suffering from your expansive sense of civil rights? ellisonz Dec 2011 #16
I like to drink beer - am I responsible for all those killed by drunk drivers? hack89 Dec 2011 #18
What if something bad happens over and over again. ellisonz Dec 2011 #19
We restrict the rights of those who have actually done something wrong, yes We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #23
Of course the problem is criminals - by definition they are the ones committing crimes. hack89 Dec 2011 #24
But not everyone else! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #31
We restrict alcohol in other ways. ellisonz Dec 2011 #46
The problem with your mindset vis-a-vis gun is that MicaelS Dec 2011 #59
Again, define "punishment" vs. civic responsibility. ellisonz Dec 2011 #60
"Civic responsibility" seems to be the new "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #62
Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #63
A barrage of propaganda is no substitute for reasoned argument. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #68
Oh we've had the argument... ellisonz Dec 2011 #69
Civic responsibility MicaelS Dec 2011 #64
Analogies have limits - drinking and weak gun laws aren't the same. ellisonz Dec 2011 #66
Firearms are already handled this way. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #61
Criminality is exactly the problem one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #35
At this point... ellisonz Dec 2011 #45
You are looking at only one side of the equation, guns also stop and deter crime ... spin Dec 2011 #52
I haven't said once that I'm against concealed carry by trained and permitted citizens. ellisonz Dec 2011 #54
we think ours are common sense gejohnston Dec 2011 #70
I'm not denying that gun violence continues at unacceptably high levels... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71
Unacceptably high levels. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #74
I fail to understand how limiting the number of firearms that I own will reduce crime... spin Dec 2011 #77
I think the "thought" process behind this is.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #79
Actually, another thing that the pro-gunners are wrong about is that gun ownership rates... DanTex Dec 2011 #81
A study from the VPC? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #82
LOL... The data is from the General Social Survey. But thanks for playing! DanTex Dec 2011 #83
Oh I'm aware of the source We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #84
Empirical data does not show that gun ownership is up. DanTex Dec 2011 #85
My daughter worked for the census last year... spin Dec 2011 #87
They also seem to ahve a serious inability to read the Constitution properly... ellisonz Dec 2011 #88
What do you believe is being read improperly? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #91
Please reference your own post here: ellisonz Dec 2011 #92
Your rebuttal is extremely flawed. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #93
Could just as easily one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #6
You really need to read up on the Drug War... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8
You really need to read up on a lot of things We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #11
If you don't like it you can put me on ignore... ellisonz Dec 2011 #12
Nah - i like making fun of you. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #20
Okay Charlton... ellisonz Dec 2011 #25
so what? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #30
Sombody get that man a reloading press clffrdjk Dec 2011 #48
Don't take things so literally... ellisonz Dec 2011 #58
Ya know, you're not really being a great representative of the gun culture... DanTex Dec 2011 #36
I'm not trying to be We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #37
Where is the ignore function? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #32
Click on a poster's name at the top of a post, and several functions will petronius Dec 2011 #38
I'm not the one using the NRA playbook. ellisonz Dec 2011 #47
Can you cite this "playbook" you allude to? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #65
Sure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #67
Extended clips (magazines) are stupid and generally don't work very well. rl6214 Dec 2011 #103
not always gejohnston Dec 2011 #14
Red Dawn fantasies not with-standing. ellisonz Dec 2011 #17
what is your obsession with Red Dawn? gejohnston Dec 2011 #49
Work in aviation one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #22
What is that a photo of? ellisonz Dec 2011 #26
If I'm not mistaken it is the gate to the concentration camp at Buchenwald Glassunion Dec 2011 #28
Some people had a plan to improve society, not unlike you one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #39
My family came out of those camps... ellisonz Dec 2011 #44
My office, 1968 one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #53
I'm done debating a one-eyed fat man... ellisonz Dec 2011 #55
We? one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #56
Big "we." Keep cuddling your guns, the war is over dude. ellisonz Dec 2011 #57
Too bad truth is not predicated on the amount of propaganda one can bring to an argument. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #75
People that have not invested their ass in the country look at it differently. era veteran Dec 2011 #76
Thank you for both your service *and* your principled protest. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #86
The same could be said about my generations Vietnam... ellisonz Dec 2011 #90
Not really We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #94
Thank you for chiming in. ellisonz Dec 2011 #89
I'll answer: We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #95
Why are you answering questions asked of someone else? ellisonz Dec 2011 #96
Because this is an open forum We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #97
Since... ellisonz Dec 2011 #98
If I'm reasonable I must be over the hill. LOL era veteran Dec 2011 #99
lol... ellisonz Dec 2011 #100
And how do you arrive at that conclusion? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #10
The best damn security money can buy. ellisonz Dec 2011 #13
Uh no - we dont We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #21
It could be easily done for new firearms... ellisonz Dec 2011 #27
No, it cannot We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #29
Then why do very little to reduce the number of victims in the first place... ellisonz Dec 2011 #43
What you fail to realize is that if all guns were somehow magically disappeared... LAGC Dec 2011 #50
Cite that, if you can.... n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #41
I've had a secured gun stolen. What's my moral culpability? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #40
Less. ellisonz Dec 2011 #42
None. There, fixed it for you. PavePusher Dec 2011 #51
Purely speculation rl6214 Dec 2011 #102
Homicide does not require a firearm. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #72
Probably belonged to the Antioch Baptist Church era veteran Dec 2011 #78
Wow, maybe we can pass a law making it illegal to shoot someone in the head rl6214 Dec 2011 #101
What do New York, Chicago and DC have in common? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #104
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