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In reply to the discussion: Lawmaker wants military patrols after child's murder [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)32. How gun control punishes legitimate owners:
Describe specifically how real gun control......punishes legitimate owners.
Gosh, one could go on for hours about this, really.
Here's an example:
In 1986 the federal government closed the machine gun registry. This means that no machine guns manufactured after 1986 are "transferable" - they can't be bought and sold to private parties. As a result, the cost of machine guns has skyrocketed. An M16, which in 1986 had a military contract price of about $400, today sells for over $20,000. This means that machine guns are effectively unobtainable to ordinary people. Yes, they are still legal to buy, but they are incredibly expensive. This is an example of how legitimate owners are punished by gun control.
Here's another example:
In 1994 the federal government passed the "Assault Weapons Ban". It really did not ban much, because manufacturers simply made cosmetic changes to assault weapons to make them comply with the letter of the law while being functionally identical to what they were prior to the ban. But you could no longer have, for example, a semi-automatic AK-47 variant with a threaded muzzle, nor provisions to mount a bayonet. Neither of these features had anything to do with crime, but legitimate firearm owners could no longer buy firearms with these features.
Here's another example:
California does not allow assault rifles with a protruding pistol grip. Which means instead of the normal pistol grip found on assault rifles like the AR15 and the AK-47, people have had to install bastardized grips such as these:


The weapon is otherwise completely identical in function as a standard AR15 or AK-47 variant, it simply has a kludged pistol grip to satisfy the letter of the law. This is another example of how gun control penalizes legitimate firearm owners.
I could go on and on but hopefully you get the idea.
Gosh, one could go on for hours about this, really.
Here's an example:
In 1986 the federal government closed the machine gun registry. This means that no machine guns manufactured after 1986 are "transferable" - they can't be bought and sold to private parties. As a result, the cost of machine guns has skyrocketed. An M16, which in 1986 had a military contract price of about $400, today sells for over $20,000. This means that machine guns are effectively unobtainable to ordinary people. Yes, they are still legal to buy, but they are incredibly expensive. This is an example of how legitimate owners are punished by gun control.
Here's another example:
In 1994 the federal government passed the "Assault Weapons Ban". It really did not ban much, because manufacturers simply made cosmetic changes to assault weapons to make them comply with the letter of the law while being functionally identical to what they were prior to the ban. But you could no longer have, for example, a semi-automatic AK-47 variant with a threaded muzzle, nor provisions to mount a bayonet. Neither of these features had anything to do with crime, but legitimate firearm owners could no longer buy firearms with these features.
Here's another example:
California does not allow assault rifles with a protruding pistol grip. Which means instead of the normal pistol grip found on assault rifles like the AR15 and the AK-47, people have had to install bastardized grips such as these:


The weapon is otherwise completely identical in function as a standard AR15 or AK-47 variant, it simply has a kludged pistol grip to satisfy the letter of the law. This is another example of how gun control penalizes legitimate firearm owners.
I could go on and on but hopefully you get the idea.
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I've always wondered if perhaps Gary Kleck wasn't inspired to some degree by liberal criminologists
Simo 1939_1940
Dec 2011
#4
But we have registration and licensing, yet anti 2A persons continue to call for more legislation.
Remmah2
Dec 2011
#10
It's always curious that so many pro-gunners really don't know the basic facts surrounding 2A.
DanTex
Dec 2011
#60
Even more curious, that others with less knowledge about it, would be so presumptuous.
beevul
Dec 2011
#67
As I mentioned above, there's more to constitutional interpretation than grammar.
DanTex
Dec 2011
#88
When I read the post, I didn't see much of anything worth responding to, but just for you...
beevul
Dec 2011
#90
That whole argument depends on the assumption that licensing and registration wouldn't do anything.
DanTex
Dec 2011
#35
Speaking of cognitive issues, have you really forgotten our previous discussions about Kleck et al?
DanTex
Dec 2011
#43
"Tens of thousands of people lose their lives every year due to gun violence."
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#45
Actually, the "suicides and accidents don't count" talking point was devised by gun propagandists...
DanTex
Dec 2011
#64
Now you are morphing an argument against including suicides in an inappropriate statistical count...
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#82
It would be a violation of Federal Law to have Federal troops doing police duty.
oneshooter
Dec 2011
#38