Gun Control & RKBA

Simo 1939_1940

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20. I understand and agree with your position, but I believe

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:39 PM

Mar 2012

that in these cases you really need to write the NRA.

I also find myself in rare agreement the member who felt that the railing against President Obama is essentially an endorsement of the GOP candidate. More that a little disenchanted with that. If the NRA endorses neither candidate it will appear to me to be a transparent ploy to both eat and have cake.

ETA: I'm too broke right now to even consider non-essential spending - so it's a moot issue for me when it comes right down to it. I've been a member because I agree with those Dems who believe change in the organization can only come from the inside.

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Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet. [View all] friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 OP

They're already in the tank for Rmoney... ellisonz Mar 2012 #1

I wrote them a letter and said they had to find a way to reach out socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #2

It doesn't matter how many letters you write... ellisonz Mar 2012 #3

Change has to begin somewhere... socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #4

Define "gun-friendly" in policy terms. ellisonz Mar 2012 #5

Simply meant as sports people and not anti-gun, that's all socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #7

One doesn't have to be "anti-gun" ellisonz Mar 2012 #8

All they are doing is protecting the second amendment. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #11

They are not protecting the Second Amendment... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

You are confused between the NRA and local laws socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #14

Rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #16

Military guns have been collected for generations socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #25

I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #26

An obvious projection - re-read the statement socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #27

Oh I have... ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

You wrote it - not me. It's there for all to see socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #32

The Cali S.C. is a bunch of ignorant political hacks. PavePusher Mar 2012 #34

I'm sure Jan Brewer and company agree with you... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35

Screw Brewer, she's got nothing to do with this. Stay on-topic. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #37

You insulted the Supreme Court of my home state... ellisonz Mar 2012 #38

They are ignorant on the technical aspects of firearms, basic math, ballistics, physics and logic. PavePusher Mar 2012 #39

Prove it... ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

So, how many crimes *have* been committed with .50 caliber rifles in California? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #52

This isn't a social science argument. ellisonz Mar 2012 #53

That's not answering the question. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #56

You're making a really good case for better gun control... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

Why? Gun crime is on the decline- wait, I forgot... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #58

Ironically... ellisonz Mar 2012 #59

When has an enumerated right *ever* been held subordinate to an un-enumerated (and ill-defined) one? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #61

"A well-regulated Militia" - No member of SCOTUS denies that gun control is Constitutional... ellisonz Mar 2012 #62

"Legitimate law enforcement efforts" FOLLOW the Constitution. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #95

Mahalos. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #96

No, that argument can not be made. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #64

So you think that gun control has increased over the past 20 years? hack89 Mar 2012 #65

Not in any way, shape or form. PavePusher Mar 2012 #69

No, it's an empirical evidence argument, and you have none. PavePusher Mar 2012 #70

That's not how we make laws in this country. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #71

Heh, well played. PavePusher Mar 2012 #80

Mahalos ellisonz Mar 2012 #81

Great. Let's restrict the rights of vocal opponents to President Obama shadowrider Mar 2012 #82

I think you need a reality check. ellisonz Mar 2012 #83

I'm not advocating violence against anyone shadowrider Mar 2012 #84

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is already restricted. ellisonz Mar 2012 #85

Would you restrict the 1A rights of people based on their political preference? shadowrider Mar 2012 #88

Hell no. ellisonz Mar 2012 #89

Well, my question is a simple one shadowrider Mar 2012 #90

Not all Amendments are identical in construct... ellisonz Mar 2012 #91

You and I disagree shadowrider Mar 2012 #92

Prove what? That crimes commited with .50 cal rifles are essentially non-existant? PavePusher Mar 2012 #68

But what if it was Democrats? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #6

And you voted for the Republican... ellisonz Mar 2012 #9

It very well could socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #12

I said no such thing... ellisonz Mar 2012 #15

".50 cal rifles for all" Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18

+1 Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #21

I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23

California Supreme Court... Clames Mar 2012 #30

I agree with that also. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #45

You also... ellisonz Mar 2012 #46

So does the Obama administration... mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #48

But that's okay- they're authority figures, dontcha know? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #51

Lets see here........................... oneshooter Mar 2012 #19

This isn't rocket science. ellisonz Mar 2012 #24

If it ain't rocket science then why do you keep avoiding the questions asked? oneshooter Mar 2012 #36

since MAIG is not a law enforcement agency gejohnston Mar 2012 #42

It is really strange that a person who claims to be so highly educated wants to avoid oneshooter Mar 2012 #43

Cite please. ellisonz Mar 2012 #54

The Tiahart Amendment was passed in 2004 gejohnston Mar 2012 #67

That doesn't prove your argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72

yes it does gejohnston Mar 2012 #73

Actually, no it doesn't: ellisonz Mar 2012 #74

since MAIG lied about everything else gejohnston Mar 2012 #75

Now you're getting into... ellisonz Mar 2012 #76

No it did not gejohnston Mar 2012 #77

^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2012 #78

in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #79

Poopyhead- you're not recognizing the "higher truth" in MAIG's statements. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #94

Yes, I think it is important to send policy messages through voting where possible. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #17

Good luck with that, single-issue voter... ellisonz Mar 2012 #22

If I was a single-issue voter, I would not have voted for Obama. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #44

I think they will always lobby for gun rights socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #10

Democratic* ellisonz Mar 2012 #28

That's because I wrote what I meant - Democrat. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #31

Oy Vey ellisonz Mar 2012 #33

If all you can do is complain about spelling and whether a word is a noun or a verb rl6214 Mar 2012 #86

You should take that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #87

I understand and agree with your position, but I believe Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #20

No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #50

Well said - and I agree with your perceptions Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #93

Obama is not allowing the Korean M-1s to return to this country. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #41

True, but Rmoney signed MA's "assault weapons" ban into law. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #47

Obama's record as a Senator is profoundly anti-gun. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #66

All anti-gun is a level! You do not like obamas level, I do. He as... Logical Mar 2012 #49

"Sorry, but Obama is anti-gun." ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

I can't speak for GSC, but I'm certainly voting Obama in November. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #60

I'm not a single issue voter. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #63