Gun Control & RKBA

DanTex

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43. Speaking of cognitive issues, have you really forgotten our previous discussions about Kleck et al?

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 07:29 PM

Dec 2011

I think the point we left it off was where I pointed out that Kleck tries to justify his inflated DGU estimates by claiming that the vast majority of DGUs don't involve notifying the police, and yet over 60% of his respondents said that the police actually did get notified. Or maybe it was where I pointed out that Kleck, in a desperate attempt to claim that there are more DGUs than gun crimes, used a technique prone to overestimation (phone survey) to estimate DGUs, and a much stricter technique (NCIS) to estimate gun crimes, something any unbiased observe would recognize as a horribly biased and misleading comparison.

Does any of that ring a bell? Do you have answers yet? Or do you want to just forget about it for now, and then come back a month later and once again pretend that I'm not familiar with Kleck.

On second thought, never mind those studies I posted. I think you'll find this to be much more useful:
http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Memory-Thomas-Fuller/dp/B001PLOCI4

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Lawmaker wants military patrols after child's murder [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

another business dispute gejohnston Dec 2011 #1

100% agreed. burrfoot Dec 2011 #3

I've always wondered if perhaps Gary Kleck wasn't inspired to some degree by liberal criminologists Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #4

I would add pipoman Dec 2011 #71

Who was the shooter? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #2

They don't know. ellisonz Dec 2011 #5

No, it is a proper and needed question. oneshooter Dec 2011 #6

Innocent people are already being punished. DanTex Dec 2011 #7

But we have registration and licensing, yet anti 2A persons continue to call for more legislation. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #10

What is an anti 2A person? DanTex Dec 2011 #12

Gun culture or drug culture? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #20

gun culture, no gejohnston Dec 2011 #23

Oh, thats easy. beevul Dec 2011 #55

It's always curious that so many pro-gunners really don't know the basic facts surrounding 2A. DanTex Dec 2011 #60

The Scalia interpretation is what? gejohnston Dec 2011 #61

Umm... no that's not what Heller basically amounted to. DanTex Dec 2011 #63

pretty much the end result. gejohnston Dec 2011 #65

Even more curious, that others with less knowledge about it, would be so presumptuous. beevul Dec 2011 #67

Please... spare me the naive grammar lesson... DanTex Dec 2011 #68

Do you know how to diagram a sentence? PavePusher Dec 2011 #83

Get back to me once you graduate from third grade. DanTex Dec 2011 #87

I will, IF you spare me and everyone else, your ignoring of fact. beevul Dec 2011 #85

As I mentioned above, there's more to constitutional interpretation than grammar. DanTex Dec 2011 #88

When I read the post, I didn't see much of anything worth responding to, but just for you... beevul Dec 2011 #90

"That war is over. YOU lost. Get over it." DanTex Dec 2011 #91

Yep, its over. Your side lost. beevul Dec 2011 #92

Ignoring the substance. Citing opinion polls. Again. LOL! DanTex Dec 2011 #93

What substance? beevul Dec 2011 #94

LOL. You crack me up dude. DanTex Dec 2011 #95

The substance is this: We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #96

What is it with you guys and being wrong! DanTex Dec 2011 #97

Problem for you is.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #98

Do you believe equally strongly in, say Bush v Gore, or Citizens United, etc. DanTex Dec 2011 #99

Whether or not I agree with it... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #100

Actually, reverting to the natural and original... DanTex Dec 2011 #101

Oh dan.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #102

We really don't have registration or licensing We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #17

You have confused "victimized" with "punished". ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #13

So why punish more innocent people? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #30

That whole argument depends on the assumption that licensing and registration wouldn't do anything. DanTex Dec 2011 #35

Its not assumption We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #36

Fact? LOL. DanTex Dec 2011 #37

It isnt "NRA propagand" We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39

Actually, the issues are far more complicated than you would like them to be. DanTex Dec 2011 #41

back to your patronizing self I see? gejohnston Dec 2011 #42

Speaking of cognitive issues, have you really forgotten our previous discussions about Kleck et al? DanTex Dec 2011 #43

since he addressed that gejohnston Dec 2011 #44

Would you be so kind as to find exactly where he addresses the points I made? DanTex Dec 2011 #47

while you are waiting gejohnston Dec 2011 #49

Let the tap dancing begin! DanTex Dec 2011 #52

it was awhile ago since I read it gejohnston Dec 2011 #53

How did I know this was going to happen... DanTex Dec 2011 #54

about three or four years gejohnston Dec 2011 #56

Well it's not working in places like Illinois and New York. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #74

You have your facts wrong. DanTex Dec 2011 #78

Good information Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #79

Probably has nothing at all to do with a lot of poverty, drug abuse.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #84

"Tens of thousands of people lose their lives every year due to gun violence." PavePusher Dec 2011 #45

31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 DanTex Dec 2011 #48

How many due to actual "gun violence", i.e. crimes? PavePusher Dec 2011 #50

Ah yes, the old "suicides don't count". One of the classics! DanTex Dec 2011 #51

No, they do not count as "violent crime". Stop conflating the two. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #57

Funny how you just swapped out "gun violence" for "violent crime". DanTex Dec 2011 #59

"gun violence" is a buzz term to add suicides gejohnston Dec 2011 #62

Actually, the "suicides and accidents don't count" talking point was devised by gun propagandists... DanTex Dec 2011 #64

more likely we are both right gejohnston Dec 2011 #66

By "rather absurd", I assume you mean that it is the consensus opinion... DanTex Dec 2011 #69

as usual you are wrong gejohnston Dec 2011 #86

Suicides DON'T count. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #75

It's no surprise that you don't care about suicide victims. DanTex Dec 2011 #77

That's right. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #80

Now you are morphing an argument against including suicides in an inappropriate statistical count... PavePusher Dec 2011 #82

Still waiting. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #89

Correction.. pipoman Dec 2011 #72

Exactly. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #76

Not hyperbole, more like high school discipline. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #8

False analogy. ellisonz Dec 2011 #15

More like... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18

"guns are no different than anything else" ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

The 2nd Amendment doesn't specify guns, does it? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #25

Semantics. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #26

No, not just semantics We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #27

Semantics. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #28

Say it however much you want We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #29

I have to write in simple terms. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #22

Not hyperbole We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #9

Describe specifically how real gun control... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

Asked and answered more times than I care to count We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #16

Why are you here in the first place? ellisonz Dec 2011 #21

Nope - did you? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #24

How gun control punishes legitimate owners: Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #32

guns keep corrupting innocent people... ileus Dec 2011 #11

For even making the suggestion We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #31

No, it's not an appropriate request. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #33

The National Guard call up ain't likely burf Dec 2011 #34

It would be a violation of Federal Law to have Federal troops doing police duty. oneshooter Dec 2011 #38

To many here We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #40

Actually, it means a lot to them.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #46

Um, hello? Posse Commitatus, anybody? BiggJawn Dec 2011 #58

Not just a "gun" problem in NOLA. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #70

Just what I want pipoman Dec 2011 #73

Option 1: krispos42 Dec 2011 #81