Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

(27,776 posts)

44. Aren't you just a dandy...

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:17 PM

Dec 2011

Frankly, you're completely misreading the Second Amendment, you're scaring the rest of the country, and you're cooking the evidence.

I hope that your family is never the victim of senseless gun violence like mine; after my grandfather, a Holocaust survivor and convenience store owner, lost the sight in his right eye because some lady thought she would carry out a robbery and shoot out the glass window to keep him from seeing the license plate.

One day this country will come to its senses, and see the NRA anti-gun control movement for what it actually is, a bunch of senseless, fearful malingerers who put themselves far ahead of their fellow man in distorting the facts, intimidating the public, and causing needless pain and suffering to millions.

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Ohio shooting of girl in Amish buggy a homicide [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

What is the point of your post? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #1

What's the point of your post? n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #2

Ahem... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #32

Why is gun violence any different than any other type of violence? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #100

Actually, the illustration is how "persistant violence has become." SteveW Dec 2011 #106

the means does not matter gejohnston Dec 2011 #121

Why can't we rrneck Dec 2011 #3

I'm fixed. ellisonz Dec 2011 #4

Ah. rrneck Dec 2011 #5

What does the fourteenth century have to do with this? ellisonz Dec 2011 #6

So you got nothin'. rrneck Dec 2011 #7

I thought I was pretty damn clear. ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

Awwww. rrneck Dec 2011 #9

Or maybe I'll just make a pest of myself. ellisonz Dec 2011 #10

You're not up to pest yet. rrneck Dec 2011 #11

I have. You're just not reading. ellisonz Dec 2011 #25

We've read what you've said We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #29

You're going to pay for it with increased taxation and fines. ellisonz Dec 2011 #91

Oooh. Let's look. rrneck Dec 2011 #31

Don't you know by now... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #36

Yeah, I had some time to kill. rrneck Dec 2011 #38

It's really not that confusing. ellisonz Dec 2011 #69

lawl. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #78

rofl. ellisonz Dec 2011 #99

Ha! Betcha that cartoonist will get a royalty payment from the NRA. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #107

How so? ellisonz Dec 2011 #117

Kates and Kleck reports this in "The Great American gun Debate"... SteveW Dec 2011 #158

You're actually making a terrific argument against yourself... ellisonz Dec 2011 #160

Your hoping. You seem fascinated with the NRA. Are you a member? SteveW Dec 2011 #161

You didn't even read your own link. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #126

sigh ellisonz Dec 2011 #136

No it doesn't. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #140

You failed to answer any questions rrneck Dec 2011 #97

You get a cartoon for polemic. ellisonz Dec 2011 #98

Well, if that's the best you can do... rrneck Dec 2011 #102

Once upon a time AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #130

....more royalty payments from NRA. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #108

So let's look at your list rl6214 Dec 2011 #88

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #89

Well rl6214 Dec 2011 #93

Do I need to state the obvious... ellisonz Dec 2011 #96

AAAAAAAAahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha rl6214 Dec 2011 #124

As long as we do nothing, we will continue to have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #125

Actually, the murder rate has continued to decline as we have LOOSENED gun laws that don't overlap AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #134

Oh I have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #138

Oh, we agree more than you think. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #142

You're optimistic. ellisonz Dec 2011 #144

'Assure me' how? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #145

Sure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #147

Nice attempt at sleight of hand. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #150

"Please tell me why someone needs a half-dozen semi-automatic handguns." AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #131

Sounds like you're really concerned about your self-protection... ellisonz Dec 2011 #139

Of course I keep them secured. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #141

Good. Y ellisonz Dec 2011 #146

New guns include trigger locks. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #149

Doesn't regulate the large secondary market. ellisonz Dec 2011 #152

Based on what? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #153

Based on... ellisonz Dec 2011 #156

"Or maybe I'll just make a pest of myself" rl6214 Dec 2011 #87

I'll be here all week long. ellisonz Dec 2011 #90

Knock yourself out rl6214 Dec 2011 #94

He only owned two guns, and used his own, so not sure what a couple of your earlier bullet points ar AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #132

But ... we, the "weak willed", don't want your version of "Common Sense Gun Control" DonP Dec 2011 #21

Superb post, thank you... MicaelS Dec 2011 #37

Aren't you just a dandy... ellisonz Dec 2011 #44

Well, you know what they say about people that "assume"? DonP Dec 2011 #67

I didn't until I got told, well I'm a gun owner and I know more than you possibly ever could... ellisonz Dec 2011 #68

...make a cartoon; get NRA royalties! nt SteveW Dec 2011 #109

Obviously they're working... ellisonz Dec 2011 #116

Have you ever stopped to wonder... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #118

You have a problem... ellisonz Dec 2011 #119

For whom? The gun-controllers? With NRA paying royalties? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #159

So you're just going to ignore his point about the President, both houses, and the supreme court? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #80

What point? ellisonz Dec 2011 #83

"LA-LA-LA-LA, I can't hear you and you can't make me!" DonP Dec 2011 #103

The truth is a powerful. ellisonz Dec 2011 #115

Oh, Margulies just has to have received some NRA $. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #110

"....something I'm not claiming". Then how do you explain this post?: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #114

I'm sure you're mistaken. He never said that, he just told us that. DonP Dec 2011 #120

I understand the feeling, but consider what's happened to gun control in those same 10 years friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #122

Hahahah exactly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #128

even Laurence Tribe disagrees with you gejohnston Dec 2011 #135

1. Laurence Tribe is one man. ellisonz Dec 2011 #137

you don't get it gejohnston Dec 2011 #154

One day... ellisonz Dec 2011 #155

one thing gejohnston Dec 2011 #157

Excellent questions, except maybe the birds singing. Who is she? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #16

Oops, my bad. rrneck Dec 2011 #42

You mean like Mexico? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #12

Our guns get smuggled to Meixco. ellisonz Dec 2011 #15

Some do, yes. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #17

if your more legal guns=more crime gejohnston Dec 2011 #22

Of course the economics of the place matter. DanTex Dec 2011 #35

that is the worst analogy you have ever came up with gejohnston Dec 2011 #49

Well, the ATF allows guns to be smuggled to Mexico DissedByBush Dec 2011 #24

Ohio sheriff: Accident led to Amish girl's death burf Dec 2011 #13

Tragic accident... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

Yes it is a tragic accident. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18

First step in cleaning a firearm: Clear it DissedByBush Dec 2011 #39

I agree 100% We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #41

Yes, tragic. Straw Man Dec 2011 #20

Less guns, more education. ellisonz Dec 2011 #23

More education certainly. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #26

So you wouldn't prosecute... Straw Man Dec 2011 #27

I'd prosecute for negligent homicide. ellisonz Dec 2011 #45

Ever heard of the Pittman Robertson Act? burf Dec 2011 #46

So we'll increase it... ellisonz Dec 2011 #47

Go for it! burf Dec 2011 #48

Why don't you ask them how they'd feel about that? ellisonz Dec 2011 #52

I figured you have an inside line with them. burf Dec 2011 #53

"As far as the orphans and widows go, perhaps marksmanship skill would be advantageous to them." ellisonz Dec 2011 #54

So you would like the women and children to burf Dec 2011 #57

Yes. But why should non-gun owners be paying the same for all this... ellisonz Dec 2011 #58

You didn't answer my questions. burf Dec 2011 #59

I have life insurance. Don't you? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #81

You do realize... ellisonz Dec 2011 #84

Do you drive a car? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #127

True. ellisonz Dec 2011 #129

Integrity? No. Intelligence? Yes. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #133

I think the issues are a lot more complex than you want to admit. ellisonz Dec 2011 #143

Hahah pitifully few crimes. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #148

I'm not really defending them. ellisonz Dec 2011 #151

why should I pay gejohnston Dec 2011 #50

why should I pay for the destruction of your choice? ellisonz Dec 2011 #51

what choice is that? gejohnston Dec 2011 #55

Hundreds of thousands of guns are stolen every year... ellisonz Dec 2011 #56

and other issue you are woefully misinformed about gejohnston Dec 2011 #60

You're missing the point. ellisonz Dec 2011 #62

umm read the articles gejohnston Dec 2011 #64

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #66

smuggled through the southern border gejohnston Dec 2011 #70

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #72

How about directly to the gangs gejohnston Dec 2011 #82

No, keep up the cartoons. Straw Man Dec 2011 #76

Do you support the government allowing guns to be sent to Mexican burf Dec 2011 #61

Pray tell, where are the cartels getting machine guns, grenades, RPG's and mines? PavePusher Dec 2011 #63

Fine. Go ahead and levy a tax. Straw Man Dec 2011 #73

So now you're admitting there's culpability? ellisonz Dec 2011 #75

Only if criminal negligence has been established by a court. Straw Man Dec 2011 #77

We must stop those assault muzzleloaders! DissedByBush Dec 2011 #34

Negligent Homicide. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #33

All that visual carbuncle lancing ...over an accident? Jeeez. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #111

Still a homicide. Accidental maybe, but still homicide. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #19

I don't see a civil suit gejohnston Dec 2011 #28

They can forgive all they want DissedByBush Dec 2011 #40

You're probably right, but it doesn't negate the personal liability. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #43

This was an accident, not homicide. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #30

I have a clearing barrel at my front door. PavePusher Dec 2011 #65

did you gejohnston Dec 2011 #71

No, left it plain white plastic, but labeled the lid "CLEARING BARREL" with a Sharpie. PavePusher Dec 2011 #123

So the solution to irresponsible owners is more guns? ellisonz Dec 2011 #74

What on earth are you talking about? Straw Man Dec 2011 #79

No. I'm saying ood for you. ellisonz Dec 2011 #85

Speaking of straying off-topic... n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #104

Amish country, possibly a hunting accident? rl6214 Dec 2011 #86

See Post #13 above. ellisonz Dec 2011 #92

Yes I see now it was ruled an accident rl6214 Dec 2011 #95

The Amish often have firearms for hunting. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #113

Why can't we have homicide rates as low as other Western countries? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #101

We can - just rationalize our drug laws hack89 Dec 2011 #105

Most excellent source. Thanks. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #112