Gun Control & RKBA

DonP

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16. So would warrantless searches and "enhanced interrogation"

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:00 PM

Mar 2012

Would you begrudge the police these valuable crime fighting tools?

After all, if you have nothing to hide, why should you object?

It always surprises me how quickly so called progressives sound like Dick Cheney and are ready to throw rights out the door if it involves firearms.

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With all the talk [View all] burf Mar 2012 OP

This is getting to be a sick society. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #1

you say that like Florida is the only state with these screwed-up stand-your-ground laws DrDan Mar 2012 #2

Nothing screwed up about the stand your ground laws. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #13

so I guess you are ok with Zimmerman's lack-of-an-arrest DrDan Mar 2012 #27

no, but it makes a nice meme gejohnston Mar 2012 #34

well - there is activity in Florida congress to rewrite the law - guess some others DrDan Mar 2012 #36

flawed maybe gejohnston Mar 2012 #39

a duty to retreat gets my vote DrDan Mar 2012 #41

do you understand what that means? gejohnston Mar 2012 #44

yes DrDan Mar 2012 #45

why is that OK with you? gejohnston Mar 2012 #50

why is it "ok with me" to expect someone with a gun to take ALL DrDan Mar 2012 #51

Most people do gejohnston Mar 2012 #55

Shootings happen so often in the gun free paradise known as Chicago shadowrider Mar 2012 #3

Not to mention I carried all weekend and didn't shoot anyone. ileus Mar 2012 #4

and I did not carrry - and nothing happened to regret that decision DrDan Mar 2012 #6

Good for you! eqfan592 Mar 2012 #14

May your good luck continue. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #18

you may credit it to luck - I don't DrDan Mar 2012 #19

Then you're not being realistic. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #67

I have survived quite a few years without packing DrDan Mar 2012 #71

Me too. Hoyt Mar 2012 #40

Good for you! eqfan592 Mar 2012 #68

Man bites dog zipplewrath Mar 2012 #5

These shootings are tragic as well. DanTex Mar 2012 #7

If you can show me where his "registry" would also affect criminals shadowrider Mar 2012 #8

it sure is . . . at a minimum DrDan Mar 2012 #9

In the story from Chicago, the two suspects are burf Mar 2012 #10

they probably wouldn't - but it does provide the authorities a tool to DrDan Mar 2012 #11

can you show one example? gejohnston Mar 2012 #12

There was a story a while back burf Mar 2012 #25

Nope, wouldn't affect hoodlums at all shadowrider Mar 2012 #26

like Zimmerman . . . he was ultra-law-abiding DrDan Mar 2012 #29

how dome it does everywhere else in the comparable world? iverglas Mar 2012 #58

hence they would not be effective in solving any case? DrDan Mar 2012 #28

No, I didn't say that. burf Mar 2012 #46

seems as though law enforcement professionals disagree with you DrDan Mar 2012 #48

most of these same professionals gejohnston Mar 2012 #49

so everything they think might be beneficial is an assault on your freedom? DrDan Mar 2012 #53

I have enough cops in my family gejohnston Mar 2012 #57

I also remember a large number of law enforcement professionals burf Mar 2012 #61

So would warrantless searches and "enhanced interrogation" DonP Mar 2012 #16

warrants can be acquired after-the-fact DrDan Mar 2012 #17

Only in national security cases, not in ordinary criminal ones. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #21

So it's OK to begrudge the police some tools but not others, if they have anything to do with guns? DonP Mar 2012 #23

Yeah, except it doesn't. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #31

here is what the former president of the Canadian Chief's of Police Association had to say DrDan Mar 2012 #32

RCMP claims gejohnston Mar 2012 #37

are you saying I fabricated that result? DrDan Mar 2012 #43

no, but Gun Control Canada gejohnston Mar 2012 #47

Gun Control What? iverglas Mar 2012 #56

wasn't there a registry? gejohnston Mar 2012 #59

read carefully iverglas Mar 2012 #65

lesson on US gun control laws gejohnston Mar 2012 #72

lesson in criminals iverglas Mar 2012 #73

we know that gejohnston Mar 2012 #74

oh my goodness iverglas Mar 2012 #75

if the pawn shop took it under the table gejohnston Mar 2012 #76

I'd say that quote bespeaks poor police procedure: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #62

that's like the state legislatures determining how best to educate children DrDan Mar 2012 #63

Would you let the Joint Chiefs of Staff set military policy? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #64

key word is "listen" DrDan Mar 2012 #66

Agreed- but only up to the point where the 'professional' gives bad advice. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #69

sure don't see any bad advice from the professionals in this context DrDan Mar 2012 #70

Do you think Canadian cops should rely on a registry entry to judge if guns are present? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #77

I think it is one more bit of information for them to consider - possible DrDan Mar 2012 #78

even without a registry gejohnston Mar 2012 #79

I would go back to the support given by the assocation of chiefs of police, and the RCMP DrDan Mar 2012 #80

most of the street cops gejohnston Mar 2012 #81

more important than a tool to trace crime guns iverglas Mar 2012 #54

How exactly does this shooting... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #15

Why doesn't El Paso have such a high gun death rate? GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #20

For that matter, why does Houston have a lower murder rate than Chicago? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #22

are you suggesting that the laxer laws result in a lower murder rate DrDan Mar 2012 #30

no gejohnston Mar 2012 #33

guess it is the combination of the two posts that suggests "no correlation" to you? DrDan Mar 2012 #35

nothing is that simple gejohnston Mar 2012 #38

I have no idea what you are referring to as "simple" DrDan Mar 2012 #42

Then why do places that are *not* Chicago need tighter gun laws? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #60

so why does El Paso gejohnston Mar 2012 #24

re: "Had to pick up the story off the Gun Wire site." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #52