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petronius

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4. Only if you think that self-defense laws in general are violations

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:58 PM

Mar 2012

Florida's SYG law does not change the requirement that a person using deadly force in self-defense must be in reasonable fear for his own life - and that's the question that matters in this case, not whether or not he could/should have retreated...

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Could "stand your ground" laws be [View all] safeinOhio Mar 2012 OP

This a sad state of affairs Thinkingabout Mar 2012 #1

Zimmerman was not acting as a representative of the state. nt rrneck Mar 2012 #2

no, he acted as a representative of paranoid gun nuts Skittles Mar 2012 #3

Oh, horseshit. rrneck Mar 2012 #34

Damn man, well said! Best reply to that sort of post I've EVER seen!! (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #44

LOL Skittles Mar 2012 #48

dup Skittles Mar 2012 #48

. Skittles Mar 2012 #50

I stand by what I said Skittles Mar 2012 #47

For you to stand by it in any meaningful way rrneck Mar 2012 #54

"...moved more to pity than to fear every time..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #56

LOL Skittles Mar 2012 #57

They're called complete sentences. rrneck Mar 2012 #60

"No state shall make or enforce any law" safeinOhio Mar 2012 #5

'No state..' X_Digger Mar 2012 #13

We need a safeinOhio Mar 2012 #27

Search westlaw.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #30

I don't think he invoked any law passed by any state. rrneck Mar 2012 #35

Sounds like you've completed your diagnosis, Doc. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #42

Actually rrneck Mar 2012 #43

Then all self-defense laws are moot. krispos42 Mar 2012 #38

but by banning self defense gejohnston Mar 2012 #40

Hmmmmm.... krispos42 Mar 2012 #46

Only if you think that self-defense laws in general are violations petronius Mar 2012 #4

No, not at all. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #6

But that exact same path was always there, whether the law is 'stand your ground' petronius Mar 2012 #8

the problem I have with duty to retreat gejohnston Mar 2012 #11

I don't think mere CLAIMS are going to be sufficient, nor should they be. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #16

Apparently not safeinOhio Mar 2012 #21

Is the problem the law or Sanford PD? gejohnston Mar 2012 #32

"Before this law it was the defendants job to prove self-defense." PavePusher Mar 2012 #37

"This law put it on the prosecution" Oneka Mar 2012 #41

The court always had and always will leave a path for anyone to claim self-defense. krispos42 Mar 2012 #39

How am I abridging the privileges or immunities of any citizen ... spin Mar 2012 #7

I'd be willing to be you'd be okay under normal self defense law rbixby Mar 2012 #9

That is what I see the problem as safeinOhio Mar 2012 #10

is there a third alternative? gejohnston Mar 2012 #14

I'm fine with the safeinOhio Mar 2012 #20

so the family of a felon should be able gejohnston Mar 2012 #23

If it is a clear case of self defense safeinOhio Mar 2012 #25

civil courts have very low gejohnston Mar 2012 #28

Those case of juries awarding money safeinOhio Mar 2012 #31

My honest opinion of OJ is gejohnston Mar 2012 #36

Here are some of the problems from Florida Prosecutors safeinOhio Mar 2012 #15

You hit the problem right on the head. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18

The poorly way this law is written safeinOhio Mar 2012 #19

*sigh* not this shit again.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #12

"No state shall make or enforce any law " safeinOhio Mar 2012 #17

No state.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #22

To enforce this safeinOhio Mar 2012 #24

The state, or enforcement of this law, did not deprive Martin of life. X_Digger Mar 2012 #26

That would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #29

^^^this^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #33

Absolutely fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #45

Read 776.041 Use of force by aggressor Kennah Mar 2012 #51

This is the heart of it. jeepnstein Mar 2012 #52

Get a clue - II trumps XIV in racist GOP shoot 'em up society jpak Mar 2012 #53

Maybe it's a power... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #55

aw aren't you clever Skittles Mar 2012 #58

Thanks :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #59