Gun Control & RKBA

PavePusher

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76. Self-defense is NOT "escalating the violence".

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:47 PM

Mar 2012

The violence already existed, brought by the attacker.

"Avoid, escape, reduce, in that order." So, if you can't get away, just take the licking...

"You are generally talking about two people who have been making bad decisions repeatedly over a period of time." ...because you deserve it?!

Holy. Shit.

"Inserting deadly violence into this equation isn't a really good idea." Wrong. Doing whatever it takes to STOP the violence is a great fucking idea. Period. End. Dot.

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NRA statement on Florida shooting. [View all] safeinOhio Mar 2012 OP

They know when to keep their mouths shut. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #1

Really, you KNOW this? Callisto32 Mar 2012 #82

I know nothing. Nothing. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #90

Gee, what a surprise. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #2

NFL statement on Florida shooting. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #3

Didn't see the NFL wanting "stand your ground" laws though. Pholus Mar 2012 #6

I'll bet the NRA is backing up Zimmerman 100% Remmah2 Mar 2012 #15

No they're not backing him. They're staying silent. Pholus Mar 2012 #19

It's obvious, the NRA isn't responding to your post for the same reason. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #23

Heheheh. I dunno, I kinda feel like I am talking with the NRA here. Pholus Mar 2012 #67

IRONY Callisto32 Mar 2012 #83

...don't misuse it. Pholus Mar 2012 #85

Clearly! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #36

the guy who wrote and introduced the law isn't gejohnston Mar 2012 #38

That's great! Pholus Mar 2012 #65

Here ya go.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #70

Thank you for this! I appreciate what was said in it. nt Pholus Mar 2012 #75

here it is gejohnston Mar 2012 #71

Thanks for that! Pholus Mar 2012 #74

That's not how florida's law works, but apparently people can't be bothered to read it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #29

We wouldn't be arguing about the law if the authorities had arrested Zimmerman ... spin Mar 2012 #33

I think that police department is going to burn when the FBI gets through with them. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #35

I agree (with the information that I currently have). (n/t) spin Mar 2012 #44

there are no innocents at sanford PD.. frylock Mar 2012 #49

Andy and Barney they are not gejohnston Mar 2012 #60

The NFL promotes the use of firearms to solve any & all of life's problems, like the NRA does? baldguy Mar 2012 #9

Can you quote, from the NRA homepage (not some blog) shadowrider Mar 2012 #10

Don't be silly, it's one of those "higher truths" beloved of would-be social cleansers. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #39

Ahhhhhhhhh. One of those concepts where you must be shadowrider Mar 2012 #42

Or just be willing to lie about it. oneshooter Mar 2012 #61

Yup Remmah2 Mar 2012 #13

Wow, that was a stupid comment. I hope you can tell the difference. Logical Mar 2012 #72

USAF statement on Florida shooting. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #4

Did the USAF sponsor "stand your ground laws?" Pholus Mar 2012 #7

Clearly some people are trying to make a link that is not there. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #11

The difference is, cops are trusted and stuff shadowrider Mar 2012 #14

My weekend hobby jobs takes me to different cities. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #21

Agreed. Cops are human and subject to daily stresses we all are. shadowrider Mar 2012 #24

When your dog poops in the house, do you leave it there & let it stink up the place? baldguy Mar 2012 #16

So in your "real world" Oneka Mar 2012 #34

Not surprisingly, you've missed the point. baldguy Mar 2012 #41

I believe it is you Oneka Mar 2012 #51

Add CCW holder to your list of Zimmerman's qualifications. Pholus Mar 2012 #17

If you can show me where someone said CCW holders NEVER make shadowrider Mar 2012 #18

Oh, this wasn't a "mistake" mind you. Pholus Mar 2012 #20

So if a CDL hit a school bus, would you lobby to ban all 18 wheelers? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #22

No. 18 wheelers actually do something worth the risk. Pholus Mar 2012 #68

So do CCW permit holders. Not that you are able/willing to see that. (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #77

A few other little known facts about CCW holders.... Pholus Mar 2012 #84

An 18 wheeler is driven by a driver with a CDL. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #89

There are about 11 millions CCW holders. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #37

"Numerous states have the stand-your-ground law. All it does is remove the duty to retreat..." ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

You are indeed wrong. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #45

Won't Zimmerman's lawyers... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47

Here, let me help.. it is in the statutes.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #53

He's going to claim he was being beaten... ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

That may be what he claims, but I suspect the overwhelming evidence.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #58

He will need to show the bruises. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #79

We don't know what type of investigation was done... ellisonz Mar 2012 #80

Investigations aren't over. The FBI is getting involved. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #81

I tell my son often (he's 20). Remmah2 Mar 2012 #48

And it allows those who invested in a bunch of guns and "training," to use their prized possessions Hoyt Mar 2012 #66

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation yet again, Hoyt. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #78

I'm pretty sure the general concept of the castle doctrine applies to your home/adobe. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #46

300% increase in "justifiable" homicides since the law took effect.. frylock Mar 2012 #50

And your source for this information is??? shadowrider Mar 2012 #52

the interwebs.. frylock Mar 2012 #54

Thanks. Not that I doubted you shadowrider Mar 2012 #56

no prob frylock Mar 2012 #62

in those other 23 gejohnston Mar 2012 #57

i think this incident will be the impetus for such studies.. frylock Mar 2012 #63

ASME statement on Florida shooting. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #5

Is ASME still trying to pass "stand your ground" laws in 26 other states? Pholus Mar 2012 #8

You look like a fool when you keep doing this. Logical Mar 2012 #73

I won't argue. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #87

FWIW zipplewrath Mar 2012 #12

The people who got the law passed are the NRA. baldguy Mar 2012 #25

They can't vote zipplewrath Mar 2012 #31

I like what the guy who wrote it said gejohnston Mar 2012 #26

Nope zipplewrath Mar 2012 #30

that may have been his intent gejohnston Mar 2012 #59

They live it zipplewrath Mar 2012 #64

they are not the only ones who live it gejohnston Mar 2012 #69

Self-defense is NOT "escalating the violence". PavePusher Mar 2012 #76

nit pick here... I think you mean "quiet" Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #27

What do you expect them to say? gejohnston Mar 2012 #28

There is not enough information to make a statement. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #32

I agree with Jon Stewart and Charlton Heston on this one belcffub Mar 2012 #43

Silence of the Douchebags jpak Mar 2012 #86

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #88