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In reply to the discussion: Cops: Robbery suspected in fatal South Shore shooting [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)52. You are looking at only one side of the equation, guns also stop and deter crime ...
While it's hard to obtain reliable studies, the ones available show that firearms are used in self defense between 64,615 times annually and 2.45 million times.
Gun violence in the United States
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Self-protection
Between 1987 and 1990, David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually.[62] This equates to two times out of 1,000 incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this time frame.[62] For violent crimes (assault, robbery, and rape), guns were used 0.83% of the time in self-defense.[62] Of the times that guns were used in self-defense, 71% of the crimes were committed by strangers, with the rest of the incidents evenly divided between offenders that were acquaintances or persons well-known to the victim.[62] Of all incidents where a gun was used for self-defense, victims shot at the offender 28% of the time.[62] In 20% of the self-defense incidents, the guns were used by police officers.[62] During this same time period, 1987 and 1990, there were 46,319 gun homicides,[63] and the National Crime Victimization Survey estimates that 2,628,532 nonfatal crimes involving guns occurred.[62]
The findings of the McDowall's study for the American Journal of Public Health contrast with the findings of a 1993 study by Gary Kleck, who finds that as many as 2.45 million crimes are thwarted each year in the United States, and in most cases, the potential victim never fires a shot in these cases where firearms are used constructively for self-protection.[64] The results of the Kleck studies have been cited many times in scholarly and popular media.[65][66][67][68][69][70][71]
McDowall cites methodological issues with the Kleck studies, stating that Kleck used a very small sample size and did not confine self-defense to attempted victimizations where physical attacks had already commenced.[62] The former criticism, however, is inaccurate Kleck's survey with Marc Gertz in fact used the largest sample size of any survey that ever asked respondents about defensive gun use 4,977 cases, far more than is typical in national surveys.[72] A study of gun use in the 1990s, by David Hemenway at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, found that criminal use of guns is far more common than self-defense use of guns.[73] By the Kleck study, however, most successful preventions of victimizations are accomplished without a shot being fired, which are not counted as a self-defense firearm usage by either the Hemenway or McDowall studies.[62][64][73] Hemenway, however, also argues that the Kleck figure is inconsistent with other known statistics for crime, citing that Kleck's figures apparently show that guns are many times more often used for self-defense in burglaries, than there are incidents of bulgaries of properties containing gun owners with awake occupants.[74] Hemenway concludes that under reasonable assumptions of random errors in sampling, because of the rarity of the event, the 2.5 million figure should be considered only as the top end of a 0-2.5 million confidence interval, suggesting a highly unreliable result that is likely a great overestimate, with the true figure at least 10 times less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Self-protection
My daughter may well be alive today because she had access to a handgun and used it to stop an intruder breaking into our home. He was undeterred by the fact that a burglar alarm was sounding and a 60 pound black Lab was in the home but fled when my daughter pointed a large caliber revolver at him. My mother also stopped an attack by a man who was hiding behind some bushes and rushed her while she was walking home from work in the 1920s. She fired two shots over his head from her small revolver and he also ran.
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Yep - and in a state which has even stricter gun control than you would like to see...
We_Have_A_Problem
Dec 2011
#1
You're the one making demonstrably false suppositions about the crime rate. n/t
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#9
I fail to see any demonstrably false suppositions or statements he has made about the crime rate
We_Have_A_Problem
Dec 2011
#33
Is it enough for you to have innocent victims suffering from your expansive sense of civil rights?
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#16
We restrict the rights of those who have actually done something wrong, yes
We_Have_A_Problem
Dec 2011
#23
Of course the problem is criminals - by definition they are the ones committing crimes.
hack89
Dec 2011
#24
You are looking at only one side of the equation, guns also stop and deter crime ...
spin
Dec 2011
#52
I haven't said once that I'm against concealed carry by trained and permitted citizens.
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#54
I fail to understand how limiting the number of firearms that I own will reduce crime...
spin
Dec 2011
#77
Actually, another thing that the pro-gunners are wrong about is that gun ownership rates...
DanTex
Dec 2011
#81
They also seem to ahve a serious inability to read the Constitution properly...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#88
Too bad truth is not predicated on the amount of propaganda one can bring to an argument.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#75
People that have not invested their ass in the country look at it differently.
era veteran
Dec 2011
#76