Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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27. as fucked up as Sanford PD is

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:42 AM

Mar 2012

Zimmerman would be alive, free, and armed.

What would happen if Martin killed Zimmerman under the old law?
Martin would be arrested for murder
Martin would have to prove that he acted reasonably and tried to retreat until cornered
Martin would have to prove it was self defense
Martin would have huge legal bills
even if Martin proved self defense, and walked, Zimmerman's dad would be in the media's face claiming "his son was not a racist and is a victim of a hoodie wearing thug in waiting" and could be suing Martin's dad for "wrongful death", with a very low burden of proof.

That is assuming Martin was white or Sanford PD were not a bunch of stupid racists. How does the old law look now?

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What's wrong with "duty to retreat" [View all] TPaine7 Mar 2012 OP

The Constitution is valid liberal and progressive legislation. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #1

What does owning a gun have to do with this thread? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #36

? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #38

How many gun owners that carry a gun daily actually "strap on a handgun"? rl6214 Mar 2012 #43

Sure they do. Lots of them. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #51

Maybe in the 1800's you might strap on a gun nowadays, nope. rl6214 Mar 2012 #62

K&R. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #2

when threatened with candy, fight back nt msongs Mar 2012 #3

If you actually need help understanding the OP, get it. n/t TPaine7 Mar 2012 #4

If the police actually investigated gejohnston Mar 2012 #7

+1, n/t appal_jack Mar 2012 #15

Show me where in "a duty to retreat" safeinOhio Mar 2012 #5

Read 776.041 then tell me there is nothing the cops can do Kennah Mar 2012 #9

I never said "there is nothing the cops can do" safeinOhio Mar 2012 #13

Police have for a long time used excuses to help their buddies Kennah Mar 2012 #17

Problems with Florida's SYG law spelled out. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #18

It's right in front of your eyes. TPaine7 Mar 2012 #20

Sounds like one of the old Charles Atlas ads-- Bully kicks sand on skinny guy in front of his girl. Hoyt Mar 2012 #24

yes it would gejohnston Mar 2012 #28

"In front of his girl" TPaine7 Mar 2012 #29

I did not miss the point. You seem to think that a gun could/should be used when you have reasonable Hoyt Mar 2012 #32

Still insisting on missing the point? TPaine7 Mar 2012 #35

IF you want to play "what if" here is safeinOhio Mar 2012 #33

Where? You gave no link. N/T TPaine7 Mar 2012 #34

sorry, here it is safeinOhio Mar 2012 #46

Is that the same WaPo that's condemned shadowrider Mar 2012 #47

as you would say, forget the source safeinOhio Mar 2012 #58

I don't worry about sources. If the info is true, the source doesn't matter. shadowrider Mar 2012 #67

Many Americans have the same problem safeinOhio Mar 2012 #69

"I don't think DTR would apply to a guy with knife endangering your fiancee." TPaine7 Mar 2012 #37

Look, you can't use a gun when you feel threatened just because you stick a gun in your waistband. Hoyt Mar 2012 #42

Hoyt, what anti-gun organizations do you belong to? shadowrider Mar 2012 #48

Do you do more than sit behind keyboard and promote more guns, and provide cover when shit happens? Hoyt Mar 2012 #53

Deflect. shadowrider Mar 2012 #54

More of the same. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #49

Self-defense is a right appal_jack Mar 2012 #6

Self defense is a right that is protected by "duty to retreat" safeinOhio Mar 2012 #8

here is the problem I have gejohnston Mar 2012 #10

I agree that the problem is this PD, safeinOhio Mar 2012 #12

winning the suit is not the point gejohnston Mar 2012 #14

"prove his innocence in a criminal court" safeinOhio Mar 2012 #16

the civil issue is only part of the injustice. gejohnston Mar 2012 #19

If you take a life, I think safeinOhio Mar 2012 #30

there is a too great of risk of gejohnston Mar 2012 #31

Are you sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #41

Yeah, I read that as 'guilty until proven innocent' as well. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #59

SYG isn't new as some claim Kennah Mar 2012 #11

Excellent find. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #60

Speaking only for myself... NewMoonTherian Mar 2012 #22

Presumption of Innocence and Duty to Retreat sarisataka Mar 2012 #56

Nah, it requires them to determine probable cause. X_Digger Mar 2012 #61

Vague wording sarisataka Mar 2012 #63

Ehn, I'll concede the language is circuitous.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #64

Agreed n/t sarisataka Mar 2012 #65

Texas solved the civil trial problem by raising the level of evidence for a civil case to the same oneshooter Mar 2012 #66

Yeah. If France had only had the SYG COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #23

Reholster your hyperbole. PavePusher Mar 2012 #25

I don't know about SYG gejohnston Mar 2012 #26

Hey, careful now! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #39

There is a reality Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #68

Because "shoot first and ask later" is so much easier for the shoot 'em up squad jpak Mar 2012 #21

as fucked up as Sanford PD is gejohnston Mar 2012 #27

How and why would Martin have killed Zimmerman? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #40

because Zimmerman was trying to beat the crap out of him gejohnston Mar 2012 #44

"PD is using the law to cover up their stupidity, not justify it" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #45

the law puts the burden of proof on the gejohnston Mar 2012 #50

Makes one wonder what they're waiting for, doesn't it? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #52

no, under the old law gejohnston Mar 2012 #55

I am sure that you would rather carried by 6. oneshooter Mar 2012 #57