Gun Control & RKBA

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49. I could reverse that comment ...

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 01:45 PM

Mar 2012

and insult you. However I believe that I have facts and statistics on my side of the argument so I don't have to lower myself to that level.

The violent crime rate in the United States has dropped dramatically during the same time frame that firearms sales skyrocketed and "shall issue" concealed carry swept across our nation. This may not be positive proof that more guns equals less crime but it does prove that more guns does not equal more crime and also disproves the allegation that "shall issue" concealed carry will turn the U.S. into the "Wild West" with shootouts at every traffic intersection and at high noon on Main Street.

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Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again... [View all] virginia mountainman Mar 2012 OP

The real issue is easy availability of guns and ammo and the attitude that guns are ok. bowens43 Mar 2012 #1

Thank you... movonne Mar 2012 #2

No valid reason. So I guess you're ok with bad guys killing innocent victims shadowrider Mar 2012 #3

Dig era veteran Mar 2012 #15

I think it is ridiculous to think that only agents of the state can save me from harm. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #4

Nor do they have a legal obligation to 'save' anyone. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #44

You sound just like.... one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #5

"there is no valid reason to allow anyone outside of law enforcement to possess hand guns" Upton Mar 2012 #7

So why do you think America is enjoying historically low levels of gun violence? hack89 Mar 2012 #9

Could it be... orwell Mar 2012 #22

So if it is not guns per se but a particular demographic with guns that is the problem hack89 Mar 2012 #23

Except in most large urban areas safeinOhio Mar 2012 #26

They are lower in LA hack89 Mar 2012 #32

Care to provide some hard numbers. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #33

Lowest in 48 years for Atlanta hack89 Mar 2012 #35

update on Atlanta safeinOhio Mar 2012 #76

Murders down 14 percent in Chicago. hack89 Mar 2012 #36

That was 2010, this is 2012 safeinOhio Mar 2012 #77

Washington DC had their lowest number of murders in decades hack89 Mar 2012 #37

NY NY crime up this year in 34 o 76 precincts. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #71

They might be even safer without so many guns. Hoyt Mar 2012 #78

Criminals will always get all the guns they want. hack89 Mar 2012 #80

Yea, because the gun obsessed keep buying more and more hoping to satiate some strange needs. Hoyt Mar 2012 #81

Think carefully about my drug reference - it was a clue. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #83

yep, we grow the gunz up here in Canada iverglas Mar 2012 #107

*cough* I think you just made his point for him. Bravo! n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #41

Sure thing, shares- or is it Don Caballero? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #53

this is extremism and not what the majority in this country want. rl6214 Mar 2012 #119

There is a demand for child porn too, but that is being dealt with. Loudly Mar 2012 #6

No it won't. Americans know enough to look beyond the emotions at the hard fact. hack89 Mar 2012 #10

Suuuure it'll happen just as in Australia. Check this out: Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #12

That's a dynamic map of a nation heading for a crisis. Loudly Mar 2012 #13

Sounds like a title of a Marvel comic from the '60s... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #19

I see it as the spread of liberalism... Clames Mar 2012 #20

Blue on that map does not mean Democratic. Loudly Mar 2012 #27

Can you explain why violent crime is at a 40 year low? DonP Mar 2012 #39

Also from FBI.gov Loudly Mar 2012 #42

Gun ownership up while murders are down hack89 Mar 2012 #52

moon made of cheese while murders are down iverglas Mar 2012 #108

The University of Chicago, the VPC, and NORC all recieve funding from the Joyce Foundation. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #109

But sarisataka Mar 2012 #110

wouldn't know iverglas Mar 2012 #111

if the manufactures are publicly traded gejohnston Mar 2012 #112

as I was saying iverglas Mar 2012 #131

Well sarisataka Mar 2012 #114

c'mon back down to earth now iverglas Mar 2012 #132

I tend to agree. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #137

So what's the problem then? hack89 Mar 2012 #117

And rifles of all types account for less than 2.7% of crimes with guns DonP Mar 2012 #75

And monkeys MIGHT fly out of my butt. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #95

Nope. krispos42 Mar 2012 #30

"gun ownership"? iverglas Mar 2012 #133

When is the last time rrneck Mar 2012 #21

You keep asking the wrong question. Loudly Mar 2012 #29

Nice dodge. rrneck Mar 2012 #34

I see your lips moving, but what I hear is Loudly Mar 2012 #93

What about all the parents with infants carrying guns? Callisto32 Mar 2012 #96

Carrying a young child is a protective shield in itself. Loudly Mar 2012 #100

My three month old daughter will Oneka Mar 2012 #116

Still dodging. rrneck Mar 2012 #105

No surprise about this absurd stupidity that gun nuts always display! -- n/t mazzarro Mar 2012 #8

I could reverse that comment ... spin Mar 2012 #49

Let's hope for continued progress for peoples 2A civil rights. ileus Mar 2012 #11

Your imaginary 2A rights threaten to deprive you of all your genuine rights. Loudly Mar 2012 #14

I am wondering era veteran Mar 2012 #16

You can choose not to take advantage of a right. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #17

Why? We don't tolerate air polluters, smokers are banned in a lot of places -- why not guns? Hoyt Mar 2012 #84

Smoking is not a right, smoking directly harms other people. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #134

Like adding more guns to society doesn't. Hoyt Mar 2012 #135

Imaginary? Clames Mar 2012 #18

Sure, just like not having to share the bathroom with black folks was. Loudly Mar 2012 #28

Yet the odds of me being murdered have never been lower. hack89 Mar 2012 #38

Will that be any consolation to you when the bullets are entering your body? Loudly Mar 2012 #45

There are many other things that are more likely to kill me first hack89 Mar 2012 #51

How about... beevul Mar 2012 #54

PPR (tombstoned) posters are not allowed to return, shares. beevul Mar 2012 #43

Whoever that person is or was, we obviously agree. Loudly Mar 2012 #47

Clearly. beevul Mar 2012 #48

apparently there is much to aggree on. Oneka Mar 2012 #118

Well done rl6214 Mar 2012 #120

Ahh, nvm, I see I wasn't the first to notice PPR'd Resurrection. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #46

So you're saying anti's are going to murder me? ileus Mar 2012 #50

How does that possibly follow from what I've said? Loudly Mar 2012 #94

Define "right." Callisto32 Mar 2012 #97

A claim to a freedom, power or immunity? Loudly Mar 2012 #101

"What are you looking at?" HockeyMom Mar 2012 #24

Nah, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL gun owners are responsible people who never get MAD, and NEVER snap. shadowrider Mar 2012 #31

Here is one from Naples, Florida with 21,000 people HockeyMom Mar 2012 #40

That's not *quite* what you said- but that's okay. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #56

Do you think DISNEY should let their employees PACK HEAT too? HockeyMom Mar 2012 #57

Something wrong with your caps lock? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #60

You didn't answer any of my questions. HockeyMom Mar 2012 #61

Nah. Answer my question. It was first. shadowrider Mar 2012 #63

Disney is free to ban guns on its' property. As for school personnel carrying... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #66

I don't know of any concealed carry licenses that allow carry in amusement parks rl6214 Mar 2012 #121

Interesting, but you didn't answer the question shadowrider Mar 2012 #62

Another "you can buy guns at Wal-Mart without ID" statement, it would seem. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #55

To be more specific shadowrider Mar 2012 #64

Irrelevant HockeyMom Mar 2012 #67

I asked first, you answer first. shadowrider Mar 2012 #72

Answer my LEGAL questions HockeyMom Mar 2012 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Callisto32 Mar 2012 #98

That depends. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #99

All? No. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #86

Yeah, right. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #25

Zimmerman is alive, free and armed today thanks to "stand your ground" jpak Mar 2012 #58

He had a history of Domestic Violence and resisting arrest HockeyMom Mar 2012 #59

Did Martin have a history of violence (At least at school)? shadowrider Mar 2012 #65

He was suspended from school once HockeyMom Mar 2012 #74

It was for tardiness Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #89

In FL, tardiness + hoodie = capital crime enforced by asshole vigilantes jpak Mar 2012 #126

since Zimmerman lives in a gated community gejohnston Mar 2012 #127

No - they maybe learned it in your state jpak Mar 2012 #128

most transplants gejohnston Mar 2012 #129

What are you trying to say? secondvariety Mar 2012 #106

was he convicted of domestic violence? gejohnston Mar 2012 #123

"...thanks to the corrupt SPD" eqfan592 Mar 2012 #104

Stand your ground laws are vigilante enabler and protector laws jpak Mar 2012 #125

Don't be so sure Oneka Mar 2012 #68

I suspect a few antis would rather Martin's family go without justice... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #87

I don't think that picture illustrates the point you're trying to make. jeff47 Mar 2012 #69

A magazine devoted to the AR-15 makes sense in today's marketplace. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #70

And for all those manufacturers... Clames Mar 2012 #90

You could always go to Gunbroker. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #91

I did. Clames Mar 2012 #92

I didn't know they were that hard to find lately. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #102

Buy a stripped lower and build a custom gun yourself. PavePusher Mar 2012 #115

Build one yourself, they are inexpensive, easy to build and a lot of fun to build rl6214 Mar 2012 #122

You're right, gun contorollers are so much more "state of the art" people DonP Mar 2012 #79

You do realize there are people who aren't "gun contorollers" nor enthusiasts, right? jeff47 Mar 2012 #82

Actually they do change that much DonP Mar 2012 #85

+1 Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #103

Separate, concurring opinion sarisataka Mar 2012 #88

What a thin, poorly written, and disconnected thesis Kolesar Mar 2012 #113

They should put those behind the counter with black wrapping too... ellisonz Mar 2012 #124

Why? Do you find the covers and articles obscene? oneshooter Mar 2012 #130

Gun Owners Caucus of your state Democratic Party thomasprescottjr Mar 2012 #136