Gun Control & RKBA

Atypical Liberal

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23. Exactly. Thanks for writing that.

Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:27 AM

Mar 2012

I tried writing a similar response but gave up.

Stand your ground is still a good law, even with the occasional Zimmerman. People who legitimately kill in self-defense should not be destroyed for doing so.

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Trayvon Martin Killing Lead Prosecutor Says George Zimmerman Could Walk [View all] shadowrider Mar 2012 OP

I've said all along the prosecutor needs to be very, very, very careful shadowrider Mar 2012 #1

I thought EVERY case had to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt? eShirl Mar 2012 #2

I thought the same thing, and you're right, pipoman Mar 2012 #4

There's a huge technical difference here COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #15

Not exactly accurate. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #30

Doesn't change the question COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #51

Not really, they just need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he was the aggressor Kennah Mar 2012 #68

It's not. But you're not appreciating just how high a COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #76

I do concede ... Kennah Mar 2012 #87

Different case, different facts. And in Scott COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #88

ABC should be ashamed. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #24

Yeah but what would the lead prosecutor know about how SYG applies to this case? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #3

The "Lead Prosecutor" I assume went to law school shadowrider Mar 2012 #5

Sarcasm apparently not your strong point. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #7

SYG does NOT protect those engaged in unlawful activity. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #26

According to the lead prosecutor it applies to this case. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #34

That's a damn shame AH1Apache Mar 2012 #38

The dispatcher had no legal authority to give those instructions. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #64

Actually, you've been told repeatedly that the law wouldn't not apply to the killing... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #65

Then you'll go with this Columbia law professor view on SYG laws. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #35

The SYG laws are in place for a very good reason.. pipoman Mar 2012 #10

If you decide to take someone's life COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #16

I don't believe that a person pipoman Mar 2012 #19

That's a false argument. You can't start with the COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #47

what happened to gejohnston Mar 2012 #52

Doesn't affect what I'm saying at all, except COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #56

you have more faith in the system gejohnston Mar 2012 #58

Remember Bernard Goetz. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #63

You can always point to an aberration where the local COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #75

Yeah, because we haven't changed any other laws in that 200 years, huh? pipoman Mar 2012 #72

SYG was a solution to a problem that really COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #74

Who says anyone "decided to take someone's life"?!? X_Digger Mar 2012 #32

Zimmerman had a gun Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #41

I was asking about intent.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #42

No. It's merely homicide. Murder is a legal COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #46

Exactly. Thanks for writing that. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #23

There few if any cases like you mention. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #36

Really? Many? pipoman Mar 2012 #69

of course he could walk bowens43 Mar 2012 #6

Enough with the "child", pipoman Mar 2012 #20

Same article says safeinOhio Mar 2012 #37

And this has what exactly to do with anything I wrote? pipoman Mar 2012 #70

Any other civil rights you want to see strictly controlled and only in the hands of the Government? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #25

If so CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #29

And another authoritarian has spoken rl6214 Mar 2012 #43

Amazing, isn't it? shadowrider Mar 2012 #44

Maybe they need a new lead prosecutor. Who was stalking who? /nt still_one Mar 2012 #8

Following is not stalking rl6214 Mar 2012 #45

To me there is a very thin line between the two /nt still_one Mar 2012 #60

In any case of stalking I have ever heard of, the stalker has actually known the stalkee rl6214 Mar 2012 #83

I think what could happen here RDANGELO Mar 2012 #9

I am not a lawyer Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #11

Most of the SYG laws include language pipoman Mar 2012 #12

If a reasonable person can shoot some one safeinOhio Mar 2012 #39

I completely disagree pipoman Mar 2012 #71

Nope zipplewrath Mar 2012 #13

He can be sued in Civil Court COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #17

Not unless Zimmerman is charged and found guilty Lurks Often Mar 2012 #18

Well, they can *file* X_Digger Mar 2012 #33

You're correct. Florida SYG prohibits the kids family COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #53

I really do love how you just assume Zimmerman is guilty. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #66

I don't 'assume' Zimmerman is guilty. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #77

Now, the 'horror' scenario. I 'shudder to think of COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #78

Same with Castle Doctrine ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #28

Unfortunately I believe she's right on. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #14

I don't think so gejohnston Mar 2012 #31

False choice. You don't have to decide between COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #48

not in the minds of the jurors gejohnston Mar 2012 #50

You haven't got much faith in the idea of COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #57

I have served on juries gejohnston Mar 2012 #59

They you agree with me that juries generally DO COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #61

in the OJ case, gejohnston Mar 2012 #62

Again, the point is that we can all dredge up 2 or 3 COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #79

what difference does age make gejohnston Mar 2012 #84

My point is that, in trying to justify the SYG law COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #85

it was not jury nullification gejohnston Mar 2012 #86

A colleague of mine told me long ago COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #89

maybe, but gejohnston Mar 2012 #90

You can't compare this case to Casey Anthony. COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #49

I'm comparing media circus, not the facts. gejohnston Mar 2012 #54

It's possible. However, I wouldn't be at all COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #55

I'm afraid this may be a long, hot summer nt independentpiney Mar 2012 #21

If nothing else, this SYG TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #22

It will be renamed and recoded ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #27

We will soon see. safeinOhio Mar 2012 #40

Even with all the negative media attention... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #67

Isn't there a legal difference between SYG and pursuing a person? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #73

Yes, certainly. There is also a big gray area that covers stalking, pursuing, and following. slackmaster Mar 2012 #80

none of which have anything to do with the SYG statute. correct? It is two separate statutes Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #81

I'm not a lawyer, I'm not sufficiently familiar with Florida law to begin to answer any of that slackmaster Mar 2012 #82