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ellisonz

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Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:21 PM Mar 2012

Silencing the Guns [View all]

March 26, 2012, 11:55 pm
By DREW WESTEN
Drew Westen is a professor of psychology at Emory University and the author of “The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation.”


When Gabrielle Giffords tendered her resignation from the House of Representatives to Speaker John Boehner because she did not feel she could continue to serve at her current level of disability, the entire House erupted in a rare moment of bipartisan unity, supporting their brave colleague who had survived a bullet through the brain at point-blank range.

That was not, however, the first bipartisan moment related to the attack on Gabby Giffords, nor would it be the last. In 2004, Congress let the assault weapons ban Bill Clinton had passed “sunset” despite overwhelming public support. That law limited the number of rounds of ammunition a shooter could fire before having to reload, and letting it die an untimely death allowed a mentally ill young man in Tucson to purchase a handgun with a 33-round magazine. Had the assault weapons ban remained in place, he may well have been able to shoot the congresswoman, but he would not have been able to empty his clip, killing 6 people and wounding 13 others, before being tackled to the ground.

That moment was followed by another bipartisan moment, when President Obama delivered a moving speech on Jan. 12 at the scene of the carnage in Tucson. In it, the president called on the nation to mourn not only the shooting of a beloved member of Congress but the lives of the people who died at the hands of Giffords’ assailant, including a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge. But on neither that national day of mourning nor on any day since has the president or the members of Congress, who are either too frightened or too corrupted by the National Rifle Association, honored Giffords or the memory of those who died in that massacre in Tucson in the most appropriate way: with a return to common sense, like reestablishing the assault weapons ban that might have saved their lives. Later in January, Representative Carolyn McCarthy and Senator Frank Lautenberg proposed legislation to outlaw high-capacity magazines; it has gone nowhere.

The first President Bush, unlike his swaggering son (who advocated the demise of a ban on assault weapons whose sole purpose is to hunt humans) showed political courage by publicly quitting the N.R.A. in disgust in 1995 when it began advocating ideas like its contention that citizens need military-style assault weapons to protect themselves against our own government (members, for example, of the National Guard). In colorful but paranoid language, it called law enforcement officers “jack-booted government thugs,” prompting the elder Bush to condemn the group for its disrespect for the law and those who defend it. Since then, it has successfully advocated for increasingly radical laws. One of them, of course, is Florida’s “stand your ground” law, which discourages de-escalation of potential firefights in public with predictable results, like the shooting death in Sanford, Fla., of Trayvon Martin.

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Silencing the Guns [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP
Apparently you don't have to be truthful AH1Apache Mar 2012 #1
You got the points I was going to make rl6214 Mar 2012 #2
No ], not really AH1Apache Mar 2012 #3
What about the facts concerning the Tucson shooting? Loudly Mar 2012 #5
And that has to do whatwith the out right lies printed in this article? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #6
Quiet, you. People died, so it's ok to make stuff up. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #9
Was Loughner able to discharge a lot of rounds in rapid succession without reloading? baldguy Mar 2012 #19
And that has to do what with the lies in this article? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #21
What, you can't answer the questions honestly? baldguy Mar 2012 #22
I can reload a mag. in appox. 2-3 sec. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #24
Your evasive answer proves that you're deliberately missing the point. baldguy Mar 2012 #29
and you obviously don't want to AH1Apache Mar 2012 #30
No, your non-sequitur proves that you are deliberately being obtuse. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #50
And in your dystopia, the community uses that 2-3 seconds Loudly Mar 2012 #73
Let's see AH1Apache Mar 2012 #75
Good grief. Loudly Mar 2012 #76
"I think I know how to protect myself" =/= "access to convenient murder" PavePusher Mar 2012 #79
Protecting yourself means Loudly Mar 2012 #82
You are the olny person saying this. PavePusher Mar 2012 #88
I may be the only person saying it this clearly. Loudly Mar 2012 #91
who does not seems not to be one of them gejohnston Mar 2012 #93
Do not call people names. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #116
I sure hope you didn't hurt yourself reaching for that conclusion. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #104
he is not the people you have to worry about gejohnston Mar 2012 #81
You can outrun a machete. Loudly Mar 2012 #84
depends gejohnston Mar 2012 #87
At my age, no I can't AH1Apache Mar 2012 #105
Here, let me set you straight AH1Apache Mar 2012 #103
Learn the facts, they were still LEGAL to own. rl6214 Mar 2012 #32
What you don't seem to realize.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #34
Because of the 31 round magazine, and its malfunction when burf Mar 2012 #96
The sunset of the AWB had absolutely nothing to do with any of that rl6214 Mar 2012 #31
Yes, that's true. Now back to the article... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #36
Here are some that are utterly false. Oneka Mar 2012 #35
We have a name for this: Callisto32 Mar 2012 #52
A Couple Points ellisonz Mar 2012 #10
No, the point is AH1Apache Mar 2012 #12
Emotion and talking points. ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
Talking points? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #14
Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #15
the anger towards Clinton had died down by 96 because the AWB AH1Apache Mar 2012 #20
plus the fact that the Repubs nominated Bob Dole. TupperHappy Mar 2012 #25
Where have all the sensible Republicans gone... ellisonz Mar 2012 #27
easy answer gejohnston Mar 2012 #33
This year Mitt Romney will run against Obama and lose ... spin Mar 2012 #95
No. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #53
"The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation" Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #4
So you think we should liberalize laws regarding silencers? I must say, that's quite refreshi... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #7
Really? ellisonz Mar 2012 #11
What's wrong with people having silencers? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #37
I'd imagine those parts of Europe generally have much stricter gun control. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #44
They certainly do...but in this particular respect (silencers) their laws are more rational. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #63
So you can buy a silencer but not a gun? Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #65
It depends on the country. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #67
You"imagine"? Why according to you, you know EVERYTHING oneshooter Mar 2012 #123
On to the ignore list you go... ellisonz Mar 2012 #130
AWWWWW poor baby. You make claims you can't back up. oneshooter Mar 2012 #133
over our silencer regulations? gejohnston Mar 2012 #40
That doesn't compute at all. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #45
Check your firmwear. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #54
I don't understand why you post this article AH1Apache Mar 2012 #8
LOL total lack of reality..No mention of Fast and Furious. virginia mountainman Mar 2012 #16
Now that's Funny! DonP Mar 2012 #17
Silencing the Guns Glassunion Mar 2012 #18
It can get expensive...tell me about it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #39
Yea they can. I'm looking at $650 for one. oneshooter Mar 2012 #124
There was a firefight at the burf Mar 2012 #23
Just a few corrections discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #26
LAWL X_Digger Mar 2012 #28
I'd be curious to see the sales figures for ARs from 2002-2011, Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #38
Production has ramped up as well ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #41
Did I read that correctly? sarisataka Mar 2012 #42
That's likely not including the final most expensive month... ellisonz Mar 2012 #43
Sorry, I rounded sarisataka Mar 2012 #46
That's the one assertion I disagree with... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47
Then why... sarisataka Mar 2012 #48
It's the collusion with the Republicans... ellisonz Mar 2012 #51
To continue being the devil's advocate... sarisataka Mar 2012 #71
I made my point concisely and clearly... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72
OK, I'll let you off the hook... sarisataka Mar 2012 #77
The Dems for the most part are in the centrist position.... ellisonz Mar 2012 #78
the evidence shows that gejohnston Mar 2012 #80
Kinda like a Mexican stand-off no... ellisonz Mar 2012 #89
vive la difference!!! sarisataka Mar 2012 #98
I am not sure how... sarisataka Mar 2012 #94
Look around... ellisonz Mar 2012 #99
So let me get this straight AH1Apache Mar 2012 #108
Acutaly what I said was sarisataka Mar 2012 #118
that certainly was the case in Ohio gejohnston Mar 2012 #49
HAHA. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #55
Not all barrels are threaded... ileus Mar 2012 #56
That explains why some screws are loose. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #61
Good article. And I see that the right-wing talking points have arrived right on cue! DanTex Mar 2012 #57
if the article was gejohnston Mar 2012 #58
As far as I can tell, the "inaccuracy" amounts to failing to mention the loophole in... DanTex Mar 2012 #68
If you look up the word loophole, gejohnston Mar 2012 #74
Try a little harder ge... DanTex Mar 2012 #97
Here is one gejohnston Mar 2012 #102
I'll just keep posting it until you respond to it... DanTex Mar 2012 #106
you were asking me a question? gejohnston Mar 2012 #107
So you concede that the Larry Bell article in Forbes was full of shit? DanTex Mar 2012 #115
since I did not read the article gejohnston Mar 2012 #117
Disappointing. DanTex Mar 2012 #119
I did not read the fucking article gejohnston Mar 2012 #125
Hey, you asked me about examples of pro-gun lies. DanTex Mar 2012 #131
so can you be honest about anti gun lies? gejohnston Mar 2012 #135
You are still confused on the issue of "loophole". PavePusher Mar 2012 #83
As one of the OP's of the Larry Bell article from Forbes... DanTex Mar 2012 #100
It's obvious to everyone else but you... pneutin Mar 2012 #101
LOL! You're new, so I'll cut you some slack... DanTex Mar 2012 #111
Really? PavePusher Mar 2012 #113
Yes, really. DanTex Mar 2012 #120
LOL Reading comprehension is not your strong suit pneutin Mar 2012 #122
There have been even more surveys... sarisataka Mar 2012 #126
Awwww... it's "reading comprehension" snark! DanTex Mar 2012 #128
On gun ownership rates.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #114
It comes from the General Social Survey. DanTex Mar 2012 #121
My problem with NORC and the University of Chicago Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #127
LOL, now NORC has a strong anti-gun bias... DanTex Mar 2012 #129
Then maybe you can explain the difference. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #134
Nice fallacies. Glassunion Mar 2012 #90
glad I have more than 100 posts... ileus Mar 2012 #60
You think the article is a "good" and "sane". Do you think it's accurate? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #64
Don't expect an answer AH1Apache Mar 2012 #66
Number od posts does not seem to correlate closely with factual accuracy.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #85
And we get anti gunner AH1Apache Mar 2012 #112
My, what a short memory gun grabbers have. beevul Mar 2012 #59
Well said. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #62
So many words for so little content. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #69
Wow AH1Apache Mar 2012 #70
Don't forget to add that AR and AK pattern rifles.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #86
That's my only goal for my new AR build. ileus Mar 2012 #92
You evil barrel shroud owner. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #110
AR platform has been the traditional CMP rifle for years. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #109
Anti-gun types are fond of making spree killers reload, aren't they? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #132
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