Gun Control & RKBA

rl6214

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199. Yawn, exactly, you've got nothing.

Reply to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #180)

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:38 PM

Mar 2012

Ask my friend the cop here in El Paso, TX, right across the border from the most violent city in the world, Juarez, Mexico. He works the gang task force and he says he has no duty to protect and serve. Ask my friend the detective here in El Paso, he will tell you his job is to investigate the crime AFTER it has been committed and to find and bring to justice the criminal. Ask my brother in law, sheriffs deputy in El Paso who is in charge of investigating violent crimes in El paso county. That includes murders, rapes, other sexual assaults, attacks, hate crimes and the like. He will tell you he investigates crimes AFTER the fact, not to stop them from happening.

He delude yourself into thinking the cops will be there to protect you when you need it.

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NRA and GOP Utopia: Dismantle Government and Take Law into Your Hands thru 'Stand Your Ground Laws' [View all] fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 OP

Pretty much everything here is wrong. TheWraith Mar 2012 #1

Is that the GOP Talking fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #3

Police have no responsibility to protect individuals (reference) sarisataka Mar 2012 #8

Wrong Interpretation....again fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #10

The idea that a citizen must rely... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #12

Nonsense fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #14

Said? No. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #28

Never Said or Implied fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #29

Gonna have to agree to disagree on that point. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #55

I took it as very much implied, too. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #88

A moral responsibility... sarisataka Mar 2012 #18

Don't Disagree fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #35

Moral or otherwise, they are almost never there when you need them. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #38

Too bad. fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #42

They do a good job, sarisataka Mar 2012 #54

Option 1 fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #59

You have my condolences... sarisataka Mar 2012 #64

Thanks very much...and the same best wishes to you. fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #69

Circumstances vary wildly. PavePusher Mar 2012 #80

Never Said It Was Anyone's Experience Other Than Mine fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #82

Why didn't the police protect you? GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #136

How many times have you been the victim of crime? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58

Wrong fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #60

And in all three cases no police were there to protect you. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #151

"To bad. Not my experience." PavePusher Mar 2012 #79

Contempt? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #81

I stand with PavePusher on this Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #90

Contempt for those not protected by police? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #92

while you seem to have sympathy for your own plight your empathy for other's situations, I am having Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #94

Sympathy? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #97

peace on you. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #99

oh dear ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #101

Seriously fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #106

you know me so well... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #109

And the police didn't protect you rl6214 Mar 2012 #156

If that was not your message, you need to edit your post. PavePusher Mar 2012 #134

"I know the cops who walk my street" rl6214 Mar 2012 #155

Which doesn't mean shit to the person being beaten to death in an alley. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #78

See post 59 fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #111

You were beaten to death in an alley? Wow! Glassunion Mar 2012 #143

You owe me about a quarter cup of coffee and some windex.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #144

She turned him into Newt Gingrich? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #145

Not cool sarisataka Mar 2012 #148

False dichotomy. Glassunion Mar 2012 #149

Only in your head fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #185

Follow the path... Glassunion Mar 2012 #200

What is considered a good response time for the police ... spin Mar 2012 #37

^^^^^^^^^^^so TRUE^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #91

Indeed. Oneka Mar 2012 #150

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. (n/t) spin Mar 2012 #171

"Castle Doctrine" is in a lot of states, but not Stand Your Ground krispos42 Mar 2012 #77

Distinction is a good one fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #102

The terms get tossed around a lot krispos42 Mar 2012 #116

Thanks for input and clarification. fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #121

Don't take it for gospel krispos42 Mar 2012 #130

A problem can arise when there are only two people in a self defense incident ... spin Mar 2012 #173

Stop! ObamaFTW2012 Mar 2012 #172

Disagree mostly tularetom Mar 2012 #2

Right fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #5

According to numerous court cases they don't have a responsibility to protect you. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #7

Wrong Interpretation fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #9

Repeating the same crap over and over... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #13

Crap? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #16

Your false outrage is noted. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #30

Whatever fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #32

If you honestly think there IS a huge distinction between the two... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #57

Vulgarity diminishes you..not me. fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #62

oh lord Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #96

Responding to a post not directed at you..... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #100

laughing, darling, laughing on a PUBLIC message board. you understand that much, right? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #103

I'm Not your Darling fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #107

the Second Ammendment is one of the Cornerstones of Our Constitution. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #110

Well... look at that fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #112

well. look at that --- your usual condescending attitude Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #115

I hold no personal malice toward you fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #117

too bad your OP is flamebait and belongs over at FR. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #119

Guns fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #123

E.J. Dionne Jr. can kiss my ass. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #128

"anything about guns"? rl6214 Mar 2012 #157

Since when is morality a function of the law? GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #22

Right... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #24

Try going into court and arguing morality instead of law. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #27

It's Done Every Day fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #31

And LAW is always the trump. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #39

Go Back and Read the Entire Thread fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #40

Nice motto. But they still don't have a duty to protect YOU. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #44

Never Said What You Seem to Attribute to Me fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #46

If it's painted on their car door, it *must* be true.. lol. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #48

So It's NOT a part of their job? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #50

Please take your fingers out of my mouth.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #53

Childish response fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #114

You think decals on a car are proof of.. something? And I'm childish? X_Digger Mar 2012 #127

Right fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #179

Did you ever ask a cop what their main responsibility is? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #187

Got It fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #189

Kindly keep your fingers out of my mouth, please. X_Digger Mar 2012 #194

"Let me know when you want to talk about guns and police protection." rl6214 Mar 2012 #161

Google 'duty to protect and serve Supreme Court ruling' rl6214 Mar 2012 #160

Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #180

Yawn, exactly, you've got nothing. rl6214 Mar 2012 #199

Right fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #201

Anything about guns? rl6214 Mar 2012 #159

Anything about guns? rl6214 Mar 2012 #158

So, by virtue of their failure to protect, the police are immoral and failed their responsibilities. PavePusher Mar 2012 #85

Only in Your Mind fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #86

Their main responsibility is to investigate crime *after the fact*. X_Digger Mar 2012 #19

Really fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #23

*snort* X_Digger Mar 2012 #36

Nice Try fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #41

Reading comprehension problem? X_Digger Mar 2012 #43

Oh... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #45

So did you ask? Well? Do tell.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #47

Mistook your post for another poster perhaps fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #49

Did you ask a cop what their main duty is? No? X_Digger Mar 2012 #52

Brer Rabbit continues with other foot -- Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #108

I thought you said the monitor before a crime is committed rl6214 Mar 2012 #163

It's that whole Tom Cruise thang.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #170

Exactly fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #176

You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better rl6214 Mar 2012 #195

And that has eliminated murder (or any crime).... PavePusher Mar 2012 #87

Not to the Point fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #89

"monitoring citizens prior to a crime being committed? " rl6214 Mar 2012 #162

Oh good grief fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #178

The police had no duty... sarisataka Mar 2012 #21

No, not blaming. Stop with the twisting. PavePusher Mar 2012 #83

Nor is Everyone With a Lawful Gun Safe fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #84

Dodge. PavePusher Mar 2012 #131

Did the cops learn to rrneck Mar 2012 #4

Minority Report or very like it. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #104

Cool! rrneck Mar 2012 #120

There will be an app for that, I'm sure Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #129

Self-defense is not based on mere feelings. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #6

Reasonable Man..... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #11

Thank you for underscoring... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #15

Paranoia? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #17

I'm talking about your reaction to the idea of a "reasonable man." eqfan592 Mar 2012 #33

Paranoid about what? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #34

But a lot of forensic evidence. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #25

Unless you're suggesting that the "reasonable man" standard shouldn't be applied w/o a witness... beevul Mar 2012 #135

Being down on your back... jeepnstein Mar 2012 #139

Yeah they've had pretty good luck dismantling government. ileus Mar 2012 #20

On the Contrary fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #26

There's a lot of truth in that. It's going to be ugly if we have a national disaster with all the Hoyt Mar 2012 #51

Blood is running in the street... ellisonz Mar 2012 #56

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #63

Do hate the cops so much fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #65

I have a lot of friends who are LEO's. Clames Mar 2012 #70

Same Holds true for You fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #73

I would hope you wouldn't approach an unlikely situation with a military type barrage of bullets. Hoyt Mar 2012 #74

Search and destroy. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #75

Hope You Just Don't Support them by Just giving them Chalk fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #76

He wasn't blaming anyone. PavePusher Mar 2012 #132

Now there is an ad appealing to the fears of the gun culture. What a load. Hoyt Mar 2012 #68

why is this NOT any more disruptive than the other? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #98

Katrina comes to mind...... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #61

Exactly. Makes me think those fleeing NOrleans to Gretna might have been worse off if they made it. Hoyt Mar 2012 #66

Something you have no experience with... Clames Mar 2012 #67

Smart move I'd say in that case. Hoyt Mar 2012 #71

ah, yes...Illegal actions are smart moves. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #93

Every time I think you've dropped as low as a person can.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #95

I think someone needs to be in charge in a disaster. Hoyt Mar 2012 #105

Keep adding to the tally, Hoyt. X_Digger Mar 2012 #125

RIGHT BECAUSE STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS ARE ALL ABOUT THOSE THINGS fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #202

*ahem* -- would you like to join the conversation? X_Digger Mar 2012 #205

Comical...really comical fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #206

The conversation had diverged into Post-Katrina NOLA, and Hoyt's acceptance.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #207

Right ....the conversation diverged fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #208

So.. anything topical to this subthread? X_Digger Mar 2012 #209

Anything Relevant to the Original Post fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #212

Perhaps you don't understand the concept of a threaded discussion? X_Digger Mar 2012 #213

The people who were supposed to be in charge..... PavePusher Mar 2012 #133

Better than a bunch of right wing "militia" types. Hoyt Mar 2012 #138

Your so called RW militia types AH1Apache Mar 2012 #142

At the mayor and other Gretna officials' orders. Hoyt Mar 2012 #146

You have absolutely no fucking proof AH1Apache Mar 2012 #147

Yes I do. If those people escaping NOrleans had gone into the racist town of Gretna, they would Hoyt Mar 2012 #152

You have hit rock bottom and started digging. rl6214 Mar 2012 #166

"Low" is calling for citizens to arm up and shoot each other. Hoyt Mar 2012 #168

And of course you can show us where ANYONE said that, right? rl6214 Mar 2012 #174

Uh huh, suuuuuuuuuuuure Hoyt AH1Apache Mar 2012 #169

"146. At the mayor and other Gretna officials' orders." rl6214 Mar 2012 #165

Don't be stupid. I'm saying the racist town leaders are MOST responsible. Hoyt Mar 2012 #167

Don't be backing up now and changing what you said...this is what was said: rl6214 Mar 2012 #175

Are you denying the backward people in Gretna would have shot fleeing people? Hoyt Mar 2012 #177

Geeeeeeeeeez Hoyt AH1Apache Mar 2012 #182

Nope, leaders told the police to keep them from crossing the bridge though they were dehydrated and Hoyt Mar 2012 #188

I call bullshit AH1Apache Mar 2012 #190

BTW AH1Apache Mar 2012 #191

I know right wingers all over this country were enjoying watching people dying in NO. And I know Hoyt Mar 2012 #192

So you have no proof AH1Apache Mar 2012 #193

That's all he's got, just his normal BS shitck rl6214 Mar 2012 #198

Two of your bigotted shtick comments in one post, you should have tried for the trifecta rl6214 Mar 2012 #197

You are making an ASSumption about something you know nothing about rl6214 Mar 2012 #196

Sure...... fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #204

Ah yes, organizing a protest via the internet rl6214 Mar 2012 #164

You mean like imminent domaine? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #113

"without just compensation" -- ring a bell? You'll notice those words in post #95. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #122

Sure fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #124

Eminent domain has nothing to do with buy-backs. X_Digger Mar 2012 #126

Yeah AH1Apache Mar 2012 #141

..and some gun owners illegally took life and property. fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #72

who gives a shit about the GOP? I damn well don't. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #118

How in the world can SYG be conflated to mean pursuing a person? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #137

Bingo. +a whole bunch. nt rrneck Mar 2012 #154

Who was pursuing who? fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #184

does it even matter? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #186

So tell me what would be your"utopia", and how would you go about forming it? oneshooter Mar 2012 #140

Be more worried about what a gun can do than what I say fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #183

Nice dodge. I really could care less about what you say. oneshooter Mar 2012 #210

No dodge fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #211

Talk about conspiracy theories rl6214 Mar 2012 #153

NOTICE HOW GUN AVOCATES FOLLOW GOP MANTRA THAT ONLY THEY CAN DO WHAT THE GOVT CAN'T OR SHOULDN'T fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #181

no I don't notice that gejohnston Mar 2012 #203

I disagree Glassunion Mar 2012 #214

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #217

I don't follow that mantra. Glassunion Mar 2012 #226

Perhaps you could be more specific. PavePusher Mar 2012 #215

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #222

"sole responsibility"? Cite, please. PavePusher Mar 2012 #229

We don't say ONLY we can do it, just that the GOVT should not be the ONLY one that can do it. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #220

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #223

There is only one problem with stand your ground. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #228

Your claims seem quite hollow. PavePusher Mar 2012 #230

you have it backwards gejohnston Mar 2012 #232

i was thinking it's just a way to encourage people to buy guns CreekDog Mar 2012 #216

Perhaps fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #218

because many of them don't think like you and I do CreekDog Mar 2012 #219

are you accusing fellow gejohnston Mar 2012 #221

no, i didn't say that CreekDog Mar 2012 #224

GeJohnson fightthegoodfightnow Mar 2012 #225

by reading between the lines gejohnston Mar 2012 #227

No, we just have impure thoughts. PavePusher Mar 2012 #231

not if you're a progressive on a broad range of issues CreekDog Mar 2012 #233

Why didn't you say so, gejohnston Mar 2012 #234

i never singled out people, i singled out a pattern CreekDog Mar 2012 #235

Cool I will say gejohnston Mar 2012 #236