Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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117. since I did not read the article

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 05:40 PM

Mar 2012

I frankly don't know. I had no idea who Larry Bell is. He does not seem to be offering any Kool Aid.
I would not describe the OP in question as dishonest. That would assume he would know the facts and lie. I have no evidence of that. It is more accurate to say misinformed.
No one denies GSS's existence, but do raise reasonable questions on why they got the results they did. Pavepusher gave a couple of possible reasons. I call that critical thinking. Personally, I tend to think the fluctuation is people who buy a pistol and throw it in the sock drawer for 30 years, then grown kids discover it when mom and dad move to the nursing home.

Basic facts about NCVS? That could apply to you as well.
Since AWB involved a technical (really a cosmetic) regulation, technicalities are very relevant.

The double standard in terms of factual accuracy is breathtaking!

Glass houses?

You really don't think this episode is indicative of the (lack of) intellectual integrity of the pro-gunner ideology?

My Forest Gump paraphrase is consistent. Some are guilty of it more than others. So, are you going to admit the lack of intellectual integrity of the anti-gunner ideology?

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Silencing the Guns [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

Apparently you don't have to be truthful AH1Apache Mar 2012 #1

You got the points I was going to make rl6214 Mar 2012 #2

No ], not really AH1Apache Mar 2012 #3

What about the facts concerning the Tucson shooting? Loudly Mar 2012 #5

And that has to do whatwith the out right lies printed in this article? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #6

Quiet, you. People died, so it's ok to make stuff up. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #9

Was Loughner able to discharge a lot of rounds in rapid succession without reloading? baldguy Mar 2012 #19

And that has to do what with the lies in this article? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #21

What, you can't answer the questions honestly? baldguy Mar 2012 #22

I can reload a mag. in appox. 2-3 sec. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #24

Your evasive answer proves that you're deliberately missing the point. baldguy Mar 2012 #29

and you obviously don't want to AH1Apache Mar 2012 #30

No, your non-sequitur proves that you are deliberately being obtuse. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #50

And in your dystopia, the community uses that 2-3 seconds Loudly Mar 2012 #73

Let's see AH1Apache Mar 2012 #75

Good grief. Loudly Mar 2012 #76

"I think I know how to protect myself" =/= "access to convenient murder" PavePusher Mar 2012 #79

Protecting yourself means Loudly Mar 2012 #82

You are the olny person saying this. PavePusher Mar 2012 #88

I may be the only person saying it this clearly. Loudly Mar 2012 #91

who does not seems not to be one of them gejohnston Mar 2012 #93

Do not call people names. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #116

I sure hope you didn't hurt yourself reaching for that conclusion. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #104

he is not the people you have to worry about gejohnston Mar 2012 #81

You can outrun a machete. Loudly Mar 2012 #84

depends gejohnston Mar 2012 #87

At my age, no I can't AH1Apache Mar 2012 #105

Here, let me set you straight AH1Apache Mar 2012 #103

Learn the facts, they were still LEGAL to own. rl6214 Mar 2012 #32

What you don't seem to realize.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #34

Because of the 31 round magazine, and its malfunction when burf Mar 2012 #96

The sunset of the AWB had absolutely nothing to do with any of that rl6214 Mar 2012 #31

Yes, that's true. Now back to the article... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #36

Here are some that are utterly false. Oneka Mar 2012 #35

We have a name for this: Callisto32 Mar 2012 #52

A Couple Points ellisonz Mar 2012 #10

No, the point is AH1Apache Mar 2012 #12

Emotion and talking points. ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

Talking points? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #14

Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #15

the anger towards Clinton had died down by 96 because the AWB AH1Apache Mar 2012 #20

plus the fact that the Repubs nominated Bob Dole. TupperHappy Mar 2012 #25

Where have all the sensible Republicans gone... ellisonz Mar 2012 #27

easy answer gejohnston Mar 2012 #33

This year Mitt Romney will run against Obama and lose ... spin Mar 2012 #95

No. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #53

"The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation" Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #4

So you think we should liberalize laws regarding silencers? I must say, that's quite refreshi... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #7

Really? ellisonz Mar 2012 #11

What's wrong with people having silencers? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #37

I'd imagine those parts of Europe generally have much stricter gun control. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #44

They certainly do...but in this particular respect (silencers) their laws are more rational. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #63

So you can buy a silencer but not a gun? Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #65

It depends on the country. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #67

You"imagine"? Why according to you, you know EVERYTHING oneshooter Mar 2012 #123

On to the ignore list you go... ellisonz Mar 2012 #130

AWWWWW poor baby. You make claims you can't back up. oneshooter Mar 2012 #133

over our silencer regulations? gejohnston Mar 2012 #40

That doesn't compute at all. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

Check your firmwear. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #54

I don't understand why you post this article AH1Apache Mar 2012 #8

LOL total lack of reality..No mention of Fast and Furious. virginia mountainman Mar 2012 #16

Now that's Funny! DonP Mar 2012 #17

Silencing the Guns Glassunion Mar 2012 #18

It can get expensive...tell me about it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #39

Yea they can. I'm looking at $650 for one. oneshooter Mar 2012 #124

There was a firefight at the burf Mar 2012 #23

Just a few corrections discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #26

LAWL X_Digger Mar 2012 #28

I'd be curious to see the sales figures for ARs from 2002-2011, Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #38

Production has ramped up as well ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #41

Did I read that correctly? sarisataka Mar 2012 #42

That's likely not including the final most expensive month... ellisonz Mar 2012 #43

Sorry, I rounded sarisataka Mar 2012 #46

That's the one assertion I disagree with... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47

Then why... sarisataka Mar 2012 #48

It's the collusion with the Republicans... ellisonz Mar 2012 #51

To continue being the devil's advocate... sarisataka Mar 2012 #71

I made my point concisely and clearly... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72

OK, I'll let you off the hook... sarisataka Mar 2012 #77

The Dems for the most part are in the centrist position.... ellisonz Mar 2012 #78

the evidence shows that gejohnston Mar 2012 #80

Kinda like a Mexican stand-off no... ellisonz Mar 2012 #89

vive la difference!!! sarisataka Mar 2012 #98

I am not sure how... sarisataka Mar 2012 #94

Look around... ellisonz Mar 2012 #99

So let me get this straight AH1Apache Mar 2012 #108

Acutaly what I said was sarisataka Mar 2012 #118

that certainly was the case in Ohio gejohnston Mar 2012 #49

HAHA. Callisto32 Mar 2012 #55

Not all barrels are threaded... ileus Mar 2012 #56

That explains why some screws are loose. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #61

Good article. And I see that the right-wing talking points have arrived right on cue! DanTex Mar 2012 #57

if the article was gejohnston Mar 2012 #58

As far as I can tell, the "inaccuracy" amounts to failing to mention the loophole in... DanTex Mar 2012 #68

If you look up the word loophole, gejohnston Mar 2012 #74

Try a little harder ge... DanTex Mar 2012 #97

Here is one gejohnston Mar 2012 #102

I'll just keep posting it until you respond to it... DanTex Mar 2012 #106

you were asking me a question? gejohnston Mar 2012 #107

So you concede that the Larry Bell article in Forbes was full of shit? DanTex Mar 2012 #115

since I did not read the article gejohnston Mar 2012 #117

Disappointing. DanTex Mar 2012 #119

I did not read the fucking article gejohnston Mar 2012 #125

Hey, you asked me about examples of pro-gun lies. DanTex Mar 2012 #131

so can you be honest about anti gun lies? gejohnston Mar 2012 #135

You are still confused on the issue of "loophole". PavePusher Mar 2012 #83

As one of the OP's of the Larry Bell article from Forbes... DanTex Mar 2012 #100

It's obvious to everyone else but you... pneutin Mar 2012 #101

LOL! You're new, so I'll cut you some slack... DanTex Mar 2012 #111

Really? PavePusher Mar 2012 #113

Yes, really. DanTex Mar 2012 #120

LOL Reading comprehension is not your strong suit pneutin Mar 2012 #122

There have been even more surveys... sarisataka Mar 2012 #126

Awwww... it's "reading comprehension" snark! DanTex Mar 2012 #128

On gun ownership rates.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #114

It comes from the General Social Survey. DanTex Mar 2012 #121

My problem with NORC and the University of Chicago Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #127

LOL, now NORC has a strong anti-gun bias... DanTex Mar 2012 #129

Then maybe you can explain the difference. Dr_Scholl Mar 2012 #134

Nice fallacies. Glassunion Mar 2012 #90

glad I have more than 100 posts... ileus Mar 2012 #60

You think the article is a "good" and "sane". Do you think it's accurate? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #64

Don't expect an answer AH1Apache Mar 2012 #66

Number od posts does not seem to correlate closely with factual accuracy.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #85

And we get anti gunner AH1Apache Mar 2012 #112

My, what a short memory gun grabbers have. beevul Mar 2012 #59

Well said. AH1Apache Mar 2012 #62

So many words for so little content. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #69

Wow AH1Apache Mar 2012 #70

Don't forget to add that AR and AK pattern rifles.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #86

That's my only goal for my new AR build. ileus Mar 2012 #92

You evil barrel shroud owner. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #110

AR platform has been the traditional CMP rifle for years. nt Remmah2 Mar 2012 #109

Anti-gun types are fond of making spree killers reload, aren't they? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #132