Gun Control & RKBA

DanTex

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85. Empirical data does not show that gun ownership is up.

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 02:53 PM

Dec 2011

Again, empirical data shows that gun ownership is down since the early 90s, and that the big drop in gun ownership occurred about the same time as the big drop in homicide.

Actual science and fact? You mean peer-reviewed studies, like these?
http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/faculty/dranove/htm/dranove/coursepages/Mgmt%20469/guns.pdf
http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/JPubE_guns_2006FINAL.pdf

I'm sure that at NRA camp they stuffed your pockets with anti-Kellermann talking points, and they teach you to distrust anything that comes from any major university or research institution. Instead, you've got your talking points and gun blogs, and your own version of "science". Speaking of which, you don't happen to be a creationist or global warming denier, by any chance?

Anyway, there's plenty of science out there, but I'm sure you'll find some way to ignore it all. Pro-gunners are very skilled at keeping their heads buried in the sand.

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Cops: Robbery suspected in fatal South Shore shooting [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

Yep - and in a state which has even stricter gun control than you would like to see... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #1

Certainly points out what a failure gun control is hack89 Dec 2011 #2

Probably stolen. ellisonz Dec 2011 #3

Probably, maybe, who gots, whatever-r-r-r....nt SteveW Dec 2011 #4

You're the one making demonstrably false suppositions about the crime rate. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

I fail to see any demonstrably false suppositions or statements he has made about the crime rate We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #33

What false suppositions? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #34

You continue to be prima facie wrong about your assertions/accusations. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #80

So the actual criminal is not at fault here? Got it. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #5

Not exclusively - no. ellisonz Dec 2011 #7

But it is enough for you to restrict my civil rights? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #15

Is it enough for you to have innocent victims suffering from your expansive sense of civil rights? ellisonz Dec 2011 #16

I like to drink beer - am I responsible for all those killed by drunk drivers? hack89 Dec 2011 #18

What if something bad happens over and over again. ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

We restrict the rights of those who have actually done something wrong, yes We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #23

Of course the problem is criminals - by definition they are the ones committing crimes. hack89 Dec 2011 #24

But not everyone else! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #31

We restrict alcohol in other ways. ellisonz Dec 2011 #46

The problem with your mindset vis-a-vis gun is that MicaelS Dec 2011 #59

Again, define "punishment" vs. civic responsibility. ellisonz Dec 2011 #60

"Civic responsibility" seems to be the new "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #62

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #63

A barrage of propaganda is no substitute for reasoned argument. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #68

Oh we've had the argument... ellisonz Dec 2011 #69

Civic responsibility MicaelS Dec 2011 #64

Analogies have limits - drinking and weak gun laws aren't the same. ellisonz Dec 2011 #66

Firearms are already handled this way. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #61

Criminality is exactly the problem one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #35

At this point... ellisonz Dec 2011 #45

You are looking at only one side of the equation, guns also stop and deter crime ... spin Dec 2011 #52

I haven't said once that I'm against concealed carry by trained and permitted citizens. ellisonz Dec 2011 #54

we think ours are common sense gejohnston Dec 2011 #70

I'm not denying that gun violence continues at unacceptably high levels... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71

Unacceptably high levels. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #74

I fail to understand how limiting the number of firearms that I own will reduce crime... spin Dec 2011 #77

I think the "thought" process behind this is.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #79

Actually, another thing that the pro-gunners are wrong about is that gun ownership rates... DanTex Dec 2011 #81

A study from the VPC? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #82

LOL... The data is from the General Social Survey. But thanks for playing! DanTex Dec 2011 #83

Oh I'm aware of the source We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #84

Empirical data does not show that gun ownership is up. DanTex Dec 2011 #85

My daughter worked for the census last year... spin Dec 2011 #87

They also seem to ahve a serious inability to read the Constitution properly... ellisonz Dec 2011 #88

What do you believe is being read improperly? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #91

Please reference your own post here: ellisonz Dec 2011 #92

Your rebuttal is extremely flawed. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #93

Could just as easily one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #6

You really need to read up on the Drug War... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

You really need to read up on a lot of things We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #11

If you don't like it you can put me on ignore... ellisonz Dec 2011 #12

Nah - i like making fun of you. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #20

Okay Charlton... ellisonz Dec 2011 #25

so what? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #30

Sombody get that man a reloading press clffrdjk Dec 2011 #48

Don't take things so literally... ellisonz Dec 2011 #58

Ya know, you're not really being a great representative of the gun culture... DanTex Dec 2011 #36

I'm not trying to be We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #37

Where is the ignore function? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #32

Click on a poster's name at the top of a post, and several functions will petronius Dec 2011 #38

I'm not the one using the NRA playbook. ellisonz Dec 2011 #47

Can you cite this "playbook" you allude to? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #65

Sure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #67

Extended clips (magazines) are stupid and generally don't work very well. rl6214 Dec 2011 #103

not always gejohnston Dec 2011 #14

Red Dawn fantasies not with-standing. ellisonz Dec 2011 #17

what is your obsession with Red Dawn? gejohnston Dec 2011 #49

Work in aviation one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #22

What is that a photo of? ellisonz Dec 2011 #26

If I'm not mistaken it is the gate to the concentration camp at Buchenwald Glassunion Dec 2011 #28

Some people had a plan to improve society, not unlike you one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #39

My family came out of those camps... ellisonz Dec 2011 #44

My office, 1968 one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #53

I'm done debating a one-eyed fat man... ellisonz Dec 2011 #55

We? one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #56

Big "we." Keep cuddling your guns, the war is over dude. ellisonz Dec 2011 #57

Too bad truth is not predicated on the amount of propaganda one can bring to an argument. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #75

People that have not invested their ass in the country look at it differently. era veteran Dec 2011 #76

Thank you for both your service *and* your principled protest. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #86

The same could be said about my generations Vietnam... ellisonz Dec 2011 #90

Not really We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #94

Thank you for chiming in. ellisonz Dec 2011 #89

I'll answer: We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #95

Why are you answering questions asked of someone else? ellisonz Dec 2011 #96

Because this is an open forum We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #97

Since... ellisonz Dec 2011 #98

If I'm reasonable I must be over the hill. LOL era veteran Dec 2011 #99

lol... ellisonz Dec 2011 #100

And how do you arrive at that conclusion? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #10

The best damn security money can buy. ellisonz Dec 2011 #13

Uh no - we dont We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #21

It could be easily done for new firearms... ellisonz Dec 2011 #27

No, it cannot We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #29

Then why do very little to reduce the number of victims in the first place... ellisonz Dec 2011 #43

What you fail to realize is that if all guns were somehow magically disappeared... LAGC Dec 2011 #50

Cite that, if you can.... n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #41

I've had a secured gun stolen. What's my moral culpability? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #40

Less. ellisonz Dec 2011 #42

None. There, fixed it for you. PavePusher Dec 2011 #51

Purely speculation rl6214 Dec 2011 #102

Homicide does not require a firearm. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #72

Probably belonged to the Antioch Baptist Church era veteran Dec 2011 #78

Wow, maybe we can pass a law making it illegal to shoot someone in the head rl6214 Dec 2011 #101

What do New York, Chicago and DC have in common? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #104