Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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64. It shouldn't be.

Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:33 PM

Mar 2012

It is those that defend the absurd notion that anyone no matter their age should be able to take a firearm wherever they please.

I believe that's your absurd notion. Some call it a straw man.

The reality here is that you do not support the right of self-defense. You support arbitrary distinctions without cause but at the same time object to restrictions that might actually have some teeth. There's a word for that...I'm sure you can figure out the one I'm thinking of.

So then you do not believe in the concept of the age of majority, and unless I believe ten-year-olds should be able to carry, then I "do not support the right of self-defense"? You call this an "arbitrary distinction without cause"? What are these "restrictions that might actually have some teeth"? Your pet project, a limit on the number of firearms that a person may own? Ten-round magazine limits? So a drunken ten-year-old with a car and a gun is not a threat to society, but a law-abiding adult with a fifteen-round magazine is?

Your whole line of non-reasoning is so patently ridiculous that I'm sure you must be joking. Please tell me that you are.

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Florida Turns �Gunshine State� After Years of Republican Control [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

So, politicians and Citizens are equal. What's not to like? n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #1

Well then we should allow everyone under 18 to tote so they won't be unequal? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #2

ya know, the word "tote" really bugs me when used in this context. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #5

Some of us... ellisonz Mar 2012 #6

You make sure and let me know when some of those folks show up. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #7

No, actually most of YOU deal in emotion and very little fact rl6214 Mar 2012 #10

+1 ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #12

Oh the power of groupthink! ellisonz Mar 2012 #20

This was discussed at length after I brought up the same thing and the anti-gun zealots rl6214 Mar 2012 #9

Playing the "children" canard again? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18

Dodge. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #19

Correct, you did. Glad to see you've started self-identifying. PavePusher Mar 2012 #23

It's a fair question. ellisonz Mar 2012 #28

That is no more of a "fair question" than those who ask if... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #30

Not the same at all... ellisonz Mar 2012 #31

Oh really? It's not a morality question? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #34

Bunch of rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #35

I'll take that as your concession of the point. ;) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #36

Thank you for admitting your extremist position: ellisonz Mar 2012 #39

Thank you for admitting your intellectual dishonesty. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #42

Dodge. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #43

So me pointing out your intellectual dishonesty is a dodge? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #46

If you support letting guns into State Houses... ellisonz Mar 2012 #48

Actually, logically, you can object. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #54

More dishonesty and veil insults from the anti-gun zealots rl6214 Mar 2012 #68

It's unusual for somebody to give a discription of the action they are taking as you just did... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #24

Having wittiness is generally a good thing... ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

I don't think "belies" is the word you're looking for... petronius Mar 2012 #32

You are correct. ellisonz Mar 2012 #33

More like pointing out a Straw Man. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #57

I say leave it where it is. Straw Man Mar 2012 #38

Well then it's a stupid argument to say... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41

Then may I suggest you stick to discussing that issue? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #44

Not really... ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

Pointing out that you are making a fool out of yourself is intimidation now? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #47

Case-in-point. ellisonz Mar 2012 #52

Case dismissed! :P (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #53

Um ... no, not at all. Straw Man Mar 2012 #49

Are you suggesting there be no limits on possession of firearms... ellisonz Mar 2012 #51

No. Straw Man Mar 2012 #62

My pride is fully in tact... ellisonz Mar 2012 #63

It shouldn't be. Straw Man Mar 2012 #64

I for one believe that he is not joking. oneshooter Mar 2012 #65

Aww thanks... ellisonz Mar 2012 #66

I think you're hallucinating. Straw Man Mar 2012 #67

Big time +1 (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #71

Where's your outrage? mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #4

since Florida has stricter laws than where I'm from, gejohnston Mar 2012 #3

Bloomberg news and quoting dan gross, pres of the brady bunch? rl6214 Mar 2012 #8

In fairness Marion Hammer of the NRA is quoted too. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #26

First in freedom....hopefully all states will follow Florida's lead. ileus Mar 2012 #11

You forgot to put the little COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #13

My guess is he wasn't being sarcastic. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #16

I was (nt) COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #50

Ah, so then it was you who forgot... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #55

Guilty as charged. (Just trying to COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #59

Cause and effect at work? DonP Mar 2012 #14

Yep. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #17

Wait a second... I thought the NRA is a "paper tiger" Glassunion Mar 2012 #15

Pay attention! It's easy to understand DonP Mar 2012 #22

The point was and has been... ellisonz Mar 2012 #25

If the GOP holds power over the NRA why do they allow them to financially support Democrats? Glassunion Mar 2012 #37

Plausible deniabiity. ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

I disagree Glassunion Mar 2012 #56

What's undeniable is the NRA donates more to Democrats than the Brady Camapign does. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #58

I wonder what would happen if G Zimmerman showed up today with his permit and a gun? Hoyt Mar 2012 #21

He's their boy... ellisonz Mar 2012 #27

Is there some reason he can't show up today with his edc. ileus Mar 2012 #60

I'm sure he does too, being just another law-abiding, fine member of the modern gun culture. Hoyt Mar 2012 #61

Again, not knowing what the "modern gun culture" really is rl6214 Mar 2012 #69

Feelin' pretty good, actually sylvi Mar 2012 #70